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There is also caste based discrimination among latinos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

It is taboo to talk about it, but it does exist. Some people won't acknowledge it.

Go to any latino company and you will find that there is a racial hierarchy among employees, where race is also a predictor of how far you can be promoted.

You can also see it in advertisement, marketing, TV hosts, and all the dumb drama shows on Netflix, and the leadership of fake "latinx" institutions (if you say "latinx" you likely grew up in a mansion).

If you created an unlabeled dataset with the faces of every employee in a latino company, with the same background and dressed in the same way, and then created a ML model to predict their seniority in a company, the most accurate model would be the one that used race and last name as a factor.



What’s interesting is that the Wikipedia page you linked to indicates that it’s unclear that this is a formalized caste system and indicates things have been more fluid:

> Often called the sistema de castas or the sociedad de castas, there was, in fact, no fixed system of classification for individuals, as careful archival research has shown. There was considerable fluidity in society, with the same individuals being identified by different categories simultaneously or over time. Individuals self-identified by particular terms, often to shift their status from one category to another to their advantage. For example, both mestizos and Spaniards were exempt from tribute obligations, but were both equally subject to the Inquisition. Indios, on the other hand, paid tribute yet were exempt from the Inquisition. In certain cases, a mestizo might try to "pass" as an indio to escape the Inquisition. An indio might try to pass as a Mestizo to escape tribute obligations.[18]

> Casta paintings produced largely in 18th-century Mexico have influenced modern understandings of race in Spanish America, a concept which began infiltrating Bourbon Spain from France and Northern Europe during this time. They purport to show a fixed "system" of racial hierarchy which has been disputed by modern academia. These paintings should be evaluated as the production by elites in New Spain for an elite viewership in both Spanish territories and abroad portrayals of mixtures of Spaniards with other ethnicities, some of which have been interpreted as being pejorative in nature or seeking social outrage. They are thus useful for understanding elites and their attitudes toward non-elites, and quite valuable as illustrations of aspects of material culture in the late colonial era.

Not saying it’s impossible as I’m not familiar with the Latino community. And skin color discrimination appears not just in Latino communities. But caste systems pop up everywhere (e.g. America institutionalized it quite well into the socioeconomic structure).


It was a formal system.

There were restrictions of all sorts.

A native could not sue someone or sign a contract, for example. Legally, they were comparable to a minor.

Interracial marriage was not allowed, and the offspring would have fewer rights.

There were political positions that were only available to europeans born in europe.


“Casta” seems to be pretty standard Europe-colonized-Americas (no matter which colonial power) racial discrimination; calling it “caste discrimination”, even if the Spanish name literally means “caste”, doesn’t really seem to be helpful, especially in a context that suggests that it is somehow similar to Hindu caste-discrimination and the way that is not covered by generally-existing US anti-discrimination law requiring additional law if it is to be addressed.


> if you say "latinx" you likely grew up in a mansion

I'm not a fan of the term either, but this is a wildly inaccurate generalization.


I've never heard any Hispanic say Latinx. I've seen it only on the internet being propagated by the usual suspects.


I've seen it used in my company's DEI training material. Which is funny because I'm working in Europe.


"We purposely trained him wrong as a joke"


I’ve seen it on signs on campus.


Ladies and gentlemen: the popularity of the the term "latinx"

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=latinx&h...

Nobody uses it in Latin America. It's as latino as Taco Bell chalupa supreme.

It's just another term from the keep-people-angry industrial complex. No latino I have ever known donates to the "latinx" organizations. So they don't represent the "latinx" voice but rather whoever is funding them.


> Nobody uses it in Latin America

As silly as Latinx is, I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Nobody uses the term “Italian American” in Italy either. It’s quite specific to Latin-American populations in the USA


As I was saying, it's terminology used by people who had little to no connection to Latin America. People over there hate it and think it is the purest form of cringe.

If you go to an authentic restaurant in the US with latinos in them and call them latinx they will probably either laugh at you or tell you that nobody uses that term, and that they would never identify themselves as latinx.


Latinx is a term used by imperialists to tell their subject population how they should identify themselves. If you use it, you are implicitly identifying yourself as pro-imperialist. Don't be surprised when people react badly to that.


Which imperialists? The Spanish? The Portuguese? The British?


I see the use for it. Spanish is a gendered language and by convention it defaults to the masculine plural.

Most men would object to being called "latina", but women are supposed to be ok being grouped with "latino", go figure

Other efforts have been using the "e" vowel, "latines"

Hispanic solves it but then not all Latinos are hispanic, we missed out on "Iberic"


Do you honestly think people that are busy dealing with real problems have the time to be concerned with such synthetic bullshit argument?

People that are trapped at the base of the Maslow hierarchy of needs have no time for that.


> People that are trapped at the base of the Maslow hierarchy of needs have no time for that.

perhaps - but not everyone is in that position.

Isn’t that the point of Maslow’s hierarchy?


Then you've run out of real problems and now have time to focus on this issue? Welcome to the top of the Maslow hierarchy.


> Most men would object to being called "latina", but women are supposed to be ok being grouped with "latino", go figure

It's not that women are "ok" about being called "latinos". In their language, this word refers to all people, irrespective of gender.

In a sense, women have their own specific word "latinas". Men don't have a word specific for them.


> In a sense, women have their own specific word "latinas". Men don't have a word specific for them.

Disagree

If you have a group of male citizens you call them “ciudadanos”

If you have a group of female citizens you call them “ciudadanas”

If 1 man joins the group now it’s “ciudadanos”

Some people have advocated for “ciudadanes” as a gender neutral plural of citizens


"Iberic" is wrong. "Iberico" in English is "Iberian".

Also, Gibraltar is Iberian, yet not ethnically Hispanic.


I was trying to go for Spain+Portugal, so instead of Latino (LatinoAmerica), IberoAmerica - but that leaves out the french colonies

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Replace mansion with ‘wealthy progressive mostly-white district’ and it would be more accurate.


Every latino I know, men or women, completely despise this term. I only ever see it used by whites (typically from the US).

Turns out that they really like their languages, and grammatical gender is a thing in Romance languages.




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