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Ah, good. Someone from the drilling industry. Has anyone ever tried microwave drilling?

Using gyrotrons to generate enough microwave power to cut and weld glass has supposedly been tried. The company that was doing it seems to have disappeared.[1] Ticker symbol changed from GYTI to GYTIE, indicating failure to file financial statements, and the stock price went to zero. They were talking about this as a precision heat source, like a laser cutter. That would be useful. But apparently it didn't work out.

It seems a big stretch to take that technology from nowhere to something you can push down a drill hole. That's close to the toughest application. You'd expect industrial applications first.

Now, if you could make that technology work, there's a cool application. This August, NASA is sending a probe to the asteroid Psyche, which supposedly has large amounts of heavy metals, possibly including gold.[2] If NASA finds valuable metals, there will be serious interest in asteroid mining. If you want to mine an asteroid, you need cutting tools. But you don't have any useful gravity to hold them to the surface. So, drilling with some kind of energy beam looks worth the trouble. Might be the killer app for gyrotron drilling.

[1] https://www.gyrotrontech.com/gyrotron/

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/psyche



> Has anyone ever tried microwave drilling?

yes, many times. as you would expect, it obviously doesn't work.

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> Using gyrotrons to generate enough microwave power to cut and weld glass has supposedly been tried. The company that was doing it seems to have disappeared.

that's correct. they weren't able to cut two inches of well controlled non-porous dry material.

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> You'd expect industrial applications first.

honestly, you wouldn't. it's technical nonsense. lasers are more efficient and easy to build.

the reason we use microwaves to cook is they pass through most material harmlessly, and mostly interact with the water.

which is kind of a dealbreaker here.

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> So, drilling with some kind of energy beam looks worth the trouble.

no, it's really not. it's just science fiction bs.

if we want to save the planet, just build regular 1970s nuclear power, and quit it with the "i'll invent something new with less than ten years on the clock" stuff.


So what is the secret sauce here? Is it a scam? Are they bringing anything new to the table?

Their timeline is pretty tight with first rig in 2 years and commercial level first power plant in another 2. They should have demonstrated at least a couple of holes deeper than a few km by now you'd assume.


> So what is the secret sauce here?

There isn't one.

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> Is it a scam?

It won't work.

I do not have the ability to tell if it's a scam. They might really believe it. A scam would require them to know they were wrong.

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> Are they bringing anything new to the table?

No.

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> Their timeline is pretty tight with first rig in 2 years and commercial level first power plant in another 2.

You can't even build a bog standard coal plant that fast.

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> They should have demonstrated at least a couple of holes deeper than a few km by now you'd assume.

If you believed in them, yes, I'd agree.


They have tried it out before but most, if not all, industrial oil and gas drilling activities are performed with Rotary drilling or a Coiled Tubing rig (which still drills via a rotating cutting bit). I do not work at a drilling technology center, so I cannot speak to what innovations are currently being examined next, but if it was proved cheaper or better petrochemical companies would be using it.


Wouldn't the energy beam push you away from the surface just as well? I get that you don't need to exert torque, but you'd need to stabilise it somehow.


> Wouldn't the energy beam push you away from the surface just as well?

do you believe lasers have thrust?

you could cut through a planet with a laser and still not lift a one ounce weight off the ground with the "push back"

laser ablation is the result of heat, not force


>do you believe lasers have thrust?

Absolutely. How do you think solar sails work? Light has inertia. If you emit large amounts of energy with any form of light, you'll get a thrust.


"Absolutely. How do you think solar sails work?"

By accumulating tiny pressure over decades in zero gravity where they face no friction.

It is not coincidental that you had to go to this extreme of an example.

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"Light has inertia."

I see you missed the part where I gave a factual accounting of how much inertia is dispensed.

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"If you emit large amounts of energy with any form of light, you'll get a thrust."

At the entire output of the Sun, you do not produce enough thrust to lift an average adult male human being in the gravity of the Earth.

Go do the math.


Lasers do have thrust, yeah. I guess I haven't done the maths to work out how much would be produced by a mining one :P




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