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Where are there any android phones sold w/o google apps besides an estimate of 35K Amazon Fire phones, and china?


"and china"

why are you excluding China? A few hundred million of Android phones without Google services isn't enough of a proof that Android is a great product even without Google services?

edit: add source: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/13/china-now-has-700m-active-s...


It's a weird market for political reasons, including the chinese government's attempt to grow domestic software and industries. Partly due to this, they're not really part of the same internet market as anyone else -- notice how all of china's big internet companies are home grown. So I don't think it's really proof of much.

Is this not the case?


Well, now that's an entirely different question. "Would Android have worked without google apps?" versus "Can a stripped version of Android compete with an entrenched Google Apps version of Android." Big difference. Either way, the lack of access to Google Play apps hurts Amazon Fire a lot more than lack of bundling with any previous Google services.




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