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I agree, this is stalking.

But again, this is not what Flock is doing.

By this same logic, traffic cameras and CCTV surveillance are "stalking", which doesn't seem accurate?





Scenario A: A person or drone follows you and takes a sequence of photos of your activities (approximately) wherever you go in public.

Scenario B: An array of cameras is installed (approximately) everywhere and takes a series of photos that include you, and the sequence of photos of your activities (approximately) wherever you go in public is assembled in real-time.

You claim these are different.

Other than details of the the technology, they are the same. The result is the stalker has a complete surveillance of your activities.

Scenario B is even worse, as the stalker now has a complete surveillance of EVERYONE, for the same cost, with zero regard for legitimate legal suspicion.

Stop being pedantic and ignoring reality


> Stop being pedantic and ignoring reality

Ironic, coming from someone blatantly ignoring the reality of things like retention policies.

Scenario B reduces to "you were never seen or followed" if no one has a reason to search for you within the retention window.

Scenario A requires intent. Scenario B only reduces to Scenario A when that intent exists. When it does not, Scenario B is essentially a noop, and has 0 actual impact on you


>>0 actual impact on you

Nonsense.

Sure, scenario A requires intent in advance

Scenario B requires intent ANY TIME. Someone in the system can decide they want to track me RETROACTIVELY and do it even more effectively than if they had planned in advance. With malicious intent, they can find or fabricate charges retroactively.

Yes, it is only potential, until it is actualized. Potential energy is still energy, and it is still different from not having potential energy in place.


This is why things like retention policies exist, though? Retroactively being able to query ALPR data is massively impactful to the ability to prosecute criminal wrongdoing, especially when a crime can be tied to a vehicle (such as theft of a vehicle). That utility significantly degrades with time, however!

Banning ALPRs outright is a strictly inferior solution, when compared to putting strict limits on their data retention.

This also inherently limits their potential for misuse, which seems to be your primary concern here?


It's accurate, they are stalking

The idea that a single CCTV feed is at all comparable to aggregatable Flock data is a deeply unserious position. I’m not clear why you think you can pretend that single cameras and a network of cameras are either similar or comparable, in this context? Or why traffic cameras aren’t essentially identical, if they’re used identically?

I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt, but it feels very sea-liony and intentionally disingenuous.




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