That's not why they are justifying it: they are justifying it because if they accept it they have to accept fractional responsibility for outcomes such as these and MAGA does not want anything to do with the negative fall out of their own actions.
From what I've observed solipsistic entitlement blaming everyone else while performing zero self-reflection is a core tenet of "MAGA". It's why boomers are attracted to it like flies to a rotting animal - they were promised everything for buying into the system and had the good life for "working hard", so if someone cannot repeat their "success" (nb. everything bubble) then it must be that person's own fault.
jacquesm is a longstanding member of this community with serious technical chops. He has fabricated his own fucking windmill, among many other awe-inducing projects.
I am an American, and I generally find his political judgements to be spot on, or if I disagree then at the very least enlightening. Frankly given the abjectly moronic siren song narratives too many of my "fellow countrymen" have fallen for, we could use more outside context from allied countries of the western world to steer us through these dark times. Remember when our friends the French tried to stop us from making that horrible Iraq War mistake and the thanks they got was "freedom fries" ?
Meanwhile, you seem to be some kind of fascist-cheerleader who relishes in trolling. All over this thread, you've spared no opportunity to rally support for agents of the state executing an American citizen and mother. I would tell you to get the fuck out of my country, whose values of individual liberty and limited government you clearly have no understanding or appreciation of, before Lady Liberty sticks her torch up your ass. But really you're just sick with social media psychosis, and you need help.
(if you want a breadcrumb you might be able to follow to start to get out, you've said you can see the "media manipulation" by "the left". perhaps you could look for the same type of manipulation by "the right", and then ask yourself who has the power right now)
> BTW - I come to hacker news to learn about entrepreneurs, programming, etc... not to argue politics. Let's go back to what this forum is for.
Most of your recent submissions and comments are political. I invite you to go back to posting about entrepreneurs, programming, and etc. if that’s what you’d rather be doing.
You just personally attacked jacquesm for not being an American, and then have the gall to complain about personal attacks? Yet another example of reactionary hypocrisy.
From what I (and apparently many others) have seen is that there is no merit to your assertions about what factually happened. It seems as if you're simply repeating what you've heard from the regime, government news sources (eg Fox), or some other bald-faced liars. I'm not saying you yourself are deliberately lying, rather you're caught in a filter bubble so strong it's causing you to rally around the killers of a fellow American citizen.
Sorry, but you're simply not a libertarian. An actual libertarian believes in individual liberty front and center - in this case the freedom for a non-violent woman to not be assaulted and then ultimately killed by government agents, for what amounts to Constitutionally-protected filming, criticism, and heckling. But there is certainly a strain of fake libertarianism whereby people will overindulge in the deductive parts of its framing, attracted to the idea that the violation of a precondition serves as a justification for a draconian response. But this is not libertarianism! Rather it is more appropriately described as cryptofascism.
On this specific topic, I am most certainly open to evidence that Renee physically impeded or assaulted ICE agents before they chose to create an an escalated high-stakes situation. So far I have yet to see any beyond vague allusions and innuendos.
For reference here no, I haven't spent much time on reddit since 2009 or so. When I do, it's mostly to find answers to technical questions. Some of the subs on the top banner of my current throwaways - /r/kubota, /r/woodstoving, /r/vorondesign, /r/buildapcsales. I haven't seem much political commentary in them.
But as far as HN? I'd say HN owns this problem. The way I see it, this topic isn't really politics per se but rather a societal sickness that is the direct result of the consumer surveillance industry that HN helped build.
Also perhaps maybe part of your frustration here comes from having characterized everyone who doesn't support summarily executing American citizens in the street as "far left wackos" ?
> Engage on the actual merits of the discussion rather than saying anyone who disagrees with you is supposedly a shill and a bad person.
> Am I wrong here?
Since you're asking for it: yes. But I can see how from your perspective it looks that way.
