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This specific point is addressed in a famous 1995 anti-technology essay by Ted Kaczynski.

Specifically paragraphs:

127. A technological advance that appears not to threaten freedom often turns out to threaten it very seriously later on. ...

128. While technological progress AS A WHOLE continually narrows our sphere of freedom, each new technical advance CONSIDERED BY ITSELF appears to be desirable. ...

129. Another reason why technology is such a powerful social force is that, within the context of a given society, technological progress marches in only one direction; it can never be reversed. ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unab...





You have been citing the unabomber in multiple comments now and are writing manifesto sized wall of text comments, beware of where the line is.

Who ever said facial recognition wasn't going to threaten freedom? None of those points feel at all relevant or substantive to the topic of discussion

Most of people have no idea and are totally ok with being tracked 24/7

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First: Much of your post is against site guidelines. You should perhaps re-read them.

Second: My opinion of Kaczynski is colored by having met one of his bombing victims, both before and after.

More generally, he is philosophizing about what is good for society. That is, he's making claims about what is moral. But his actions show that his moral compass is hopelessly skewed. So why am I going to take his judgment on moral questions? I'm not. As a philosopher on moral questions, his actions destroy his credibility.

His ideas may sound credible. If that's where they led him, though, no, I don't want to start down the road of his ideas.


I'm almost as interested in debating this as I would be debating the livejournal girls who worshipped manson. It's the same thing. The guy was a gutless stinking murderer who was so afraid of debating his ideas on the merits that he spent his life shitting himself in a shack tying barbwire across bike trails to decapitate kids he didn't like and mailing innocent people instruments of death, torture, and terror. He was one of the more worthless and useless people to live in recent memory, and that's quite a list.

What would debating the ideas do? You either get it or you don't. There is a large sum of people who are categoricially indifferent to the idea of debate. They just support the status quo blindly, no matter what.

For example, you haven't even read the first sentence of the relevant material and you are already in a soylent-driven tizzy making lists of synonyms and debating whether we should even be allowed to debate.


>How humiliating for you, to put your foot in the mouth in front of everyone in this distinguished forum. This isn’t Digg, or even Reddit. Put some thought into what you write.

This tone is not welcome on Hacker News. Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Nothing about this forum is distinguished. Are you being serious? It's just reddit for tech nerds with the same problems

The moderation team makes all the difference in the world.

The moderation team makes no difference on how people here interact with each other and the posts.

It absolutely does

Any troll or shitposter who can't operate extremely effectively on HN isn't very good at it.

The site basically has a house style for those activities, and you can go crazy insulting and stirring people up all day long and not get moderated for it, as long as you stick to the approved style. Bonus: if you're not just half-competent, but actually good, you can probably get people calling you out on your behavior moderated, if they don't beat around the bush about it in just the right ways! That's why the majority of posts on here are trolling and shitposting, or fallout thereof.

If you stay under the moderation radar, trolling this place is like shooting fish in a barrel, even easier than most sites (no, I've not done it, but it's very obviously most of what goes on here). If the site cared about this, it'd have ignore-lists.


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> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I didn't say it was turning into reddit, I said they suffer from the same problems

That sounds like a distinction without a difference. The point of the guidelines isn’t about the specific words chosen; it’s about making meta-complaints about HN itself.

I think ad hominems are fine when the lunatic in question mail bombs and injures/murders innocent people. Like what the eff are you talking about!?

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Given how many impactful books I've read by both small and large authors, even before the age of the internet, I'd say this murderous fuckwit was simply justifying murder.

This does not justify murder. Had his moronic ramblings been worth the paper it was printed on, the murders would not be necessary to spread it.


There was no justification for mailing pipe bombs to kill and maim people. That's batshit crazy and has no place in society.



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