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I think this sums it up pretty well.

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles,"



That’s exactly right.


Yeah, except there aren't even principles at play here. For example, streamline all regulatory approvals, oh except for disfavored groups: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/speed-act-passes...


It’s just pure reaction. Liberals favor renewable energy, so MAGA opposes it. Liberals favor climate science, so MAGA opposes it.


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Do you have a good example?


The two recent examples I can think of are the Gaza ceasefire, as well as the general concept (and not actual implementation) of re-industrializing the USA in the context of China's dominance.


"re-industrializing the USA"

Call me when the party starts. Many of the decisions this administration has made are having the opposite impact. The re-industrialization of the US (what little bit of it there is) is in spite of the trump administration, not because of it.


Well, people are still dying despite the ceasefire and the reindustrialization seems mostly to build data centers. What parts of these do you think are good?


Has there actually been a ceasefire in practice? People are still dying, guns are still being fired afaik. And the broader plan does not instill confidence with Tony Blair proposed as a technocratic leader of the area


I don't know. It's tragic but unfortunately not surprising there is still fighting.

My recollection is that during the early, and perhaps overly hopeful, days, left-leaning media avoided saying Trump's name when reporting on it.


Of course I have no sway, politically or otherwise, but I would have happily given credit to Trump where it was due if it panned out.

But Israel does not seem to have abided by the ceasefire, and the larger peace plan now feels like it's going to be stitch up for the Palestinian people.

It is definitely tragic


I tried to help them steelman this but the only couple examples of good things I could come up with, I’ve not seen liberals complain about. Hm. Coming up blank.


Does any leftist have an example of anything good Trump has done?


Not that I think he has the legal authority to do it, but I am not really opposed to dropping the penny.


The 2018 farm bill was at the top of my list. But they just repealed all the good they accidentally did with it so never mind.


Trump seems to be really into kei trucks all of a sudden, if he follows through with allowing their import that seems like it could be good


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All these come from the white house press directly which has painted them in a glowing light but it remains to be seen if they are actually good things. The administration is crooked. Nothing they do can be trusted. Especially when they attack science and reduce funding for critical programs


He’s announced having done more things I might have liked, than he’s actually done. Lots of crowing about crap that never happens.


Which of these have been met with scorn by liberals? You seem to not get the idea...


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After significantly more searching, you managed to cite less criticisms of Trump’s “good actions” by liberals than you managed to cite “good actions” themselves, and then to top it all off you tried to weakly justify that conclusion with some trite aphorism about individualism encompassing many outcomes.

Weak!


Yes, you're right, I should google to make your arguments for you!

Listing a bunch of white house links and then 2 criticisms (edit: he got it up to about 6 criticisms of marijuana legislation, wow!) which aren't even really about the action but more about the general malfeasance of the administration is an extremely weak supporting argument behind "liberals criticize anything good Trump does the same way conservatives criticized anything good Biden did", because we can identify plentiful examples of naked hypocrisy around the criticisms of Biden - see the autopen debacle for one hilariously manufactured self-owning example.

It must really be quite trying to justify Trump's actions, I'm amazed you have failed to use any of that energy on introspection.


I'm a liberal, and the current administration de-scheduling Marijuana federally is a good thing. Also, a broken clock is right twice a day.


Examples?


The principles are difficult for you to detect because your values are things like truth or integrity. Their values are just about forming hierarchy.


This is of course the standard human view of our ingroup vs our outgroup.

The MAGA people, believe it or not, say very similar things about you.


I’m sure they do. But you can see the results of the current administration here.


They are lying.

It's a problem how many people seemingly have broken lie detectors these days. I blame social media for this one: far too easy to find a truthy bubble that validates your beliefs.


They say much worse things about me! Donald Trump, the leader of the MAGA people, released a Christmas greeting calling me scum (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1157772703684...) - I've never done that and would never do that to even my worst political opponents. I don't understand why people persist in drawing this false equivalence. Are you in a media bubble where you don't see the things Trump says and does?


That is very much in line with their principles. A more accurate quote for them is

"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."


"Rules for thee but not for me."


They're not the first with this line of thinking.

> When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then - yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are!

-- Joseph Goebbels, 1935


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Another example of leftists not understanding things that are obvious. Just because you're protesting doesn't mean you can do things that would be illegal if you weren't protesting. That I have to explain this to you is really annoying.


Oh you definitely can, this is often the point of the protest.




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