Considering women as defenseless brainless little flowers who can only be victims is also a major form of misogyny. Would you call a woman who pursues men for sex a misandrist as well?

We're not going to play that game.

Pick up artistry isn't about sex, its about power exchange with total strangers. Sex is the socially acceptable prize you win for manipulating someone you hate or resent at least as much as yourself into spending time and attention on you.

It comes from a place of isolation and frustration, it has flying fuck-all to do with appreciating women or integrating them into one's life, and it doesn't solve a goddamn thing.

Thinking you aren't worth someone else's time is the goddamn problem.

I think the "socially acceptable" is the key here. Men who get lots of women earn social credits from both women and men (while women get slut shamed). These are relics from highly oppressive societies. So, in a sense, the PUA is a victim who uses mischievous means to earn societal status.

I'd encourage you to have an open mind for the idea that most guys into this are in it because they are bitter and hate women. Personally it doesn't really impact me what you think and I can see how if I was expose to the same mainstream coverage and asked to form a view, it'd be similar to yours.

Reading your perception of what PUAs are is similar to hearing someone describe hackers as evil people and Hacker News as a bad place.

Those are some cool talking points, bro.

I am not sure they have much to do with reality though.

Enlighten me, niete! With a comment history on here that shows you speaking up only when gender politics are being discussed, I'm confident you have a well thought out perspective to share that I may not have considered.

How is that comparison anything related to hatred of women?

A well dressed man with zero confidence is not an attractive man. A man can learn things, change his behavior, and become more confident. It is changing a pre-state to something more desirable to others. Dressing up increasing desirability as well, but behavior is by far more important than looks for how attractive men are.

Is it fair to say that some women dress up to increase their attractiveness?

Edit: fuck it, lets play. Tell me what's wonderful about women.

Geez where do I start? I'm not sure this is an appropriate medium to share arbitrary personal notes about myself.

I will say that I've done some coaching and it isn't uncommon to run into men bitter about women due to their past break ups. The very first thing I teach em is its not healthy to do this if you hate women; not to mention you will probably have a better chance if you appreciated them(even their flaws) than walk up to one with years of built up bitterness.

That your friend keeps a literal spreadsheet of the pussy he gets is a pretty arbitrary personal note you've already shared. Zoom into the breach! Tell me what is good about the women you've dated. Just one thing, even. Be as floral as you like.

Women I've dated were/are some of the nicest people with little to no meanness in them(something I personally find a huge turn off). Their niceness and care make my days and weeks and inspire me to reciprocate.

Thank you.