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Not so much moving the goalposts as pointing out that playing American football is not like playing soccer (football - that is, driving in Rome) or even cricket (Mumbai).

In fact, cricket doesn't even _have_ goalposts, it has wickets. Driving in cities outside North America is very different.



I'm not sure I get your analogy here. If you're suggesting that it's not "moving the goalposts" because it's pointing out that driving in Rome or Mumbai is different than driving in North America, then that is exactly what is meant by moving the goalposts.

10 years ago the claim was that "cars can't drive autonomously," Waymo quietly chips away to the point that they absolutely can drive autonomously, even in an unpredictable environment (with evidently drastically lower-than-human accident rates, for example), and the reaction of those original people is to say "yeah but it can't drive in [even more complex place]"

Sure, that's not exactly surprising. We generally don't design technology to do the most complex version of the task it's supposed to do first. We generally start with a simpler scenario it can accomplish and progressively enhance it as we learn more. Cars have been doing that for decades.

So perhaps the tech doesn't work in Mumbai or Rome yet. Maybe we'll advance the tech to do that thing, or maybe we'll come up with a different solution to autonomous driving in these places if we find out it'll be more expensive to advance this technology than it will be to do something else instead. But either way, it's already doing the thing that many, many people claimed it can't do, and those people are now claiming there's something else it can't do. That is the very definition of moving the goalposts.


> Waymo quietly chips away (..)

Perfect example of the saying: "if you have a big problem, first solve the smaller problems. Then your bigger problem may turn out to be not so big after all".

Current AI is much like that: one 'little' problem after another being solved (or at least, progressing).


> Driving in cities outside North America is very different.

Waymo is testing in Japan: https://waymo.com/blog/2025/04/new-beginnings-in-japan




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