> What’s the big deal?

One, it’s an identity politic issue. Two, these laws don’t prevent voter fraud. And three, we know they suppress turnout among certain populations—plenty of people have expired driver’s licenses and IDs. Collecting the paperwork and paying the fees can be prohibitive. Our Constitution guarantees the vote to every adult citizen, not just those who are organised or can pay the fee.

> You need ID to get a darn library card or to drive a car, get a loan, buy a home … but not to vote?

I never had to show ID to buy my home or get my mortgage.

> Constitution guarantees the vote to every adult citizen, not just those who are organised or can pay the fee.

> we know they suppress turnout among certain populations

The constitution also guarantees the right to bear arms, wouldn't requiring ID in that case also suppress certain populations exercise of that right?

> constitution also guarantees the right to bear arms, wouldn't requiring ID in that case also suppress certain populations exercise of that right?

One, the meaning of that phrase is much more ambiguous than the right to vote. Two, you can buy a gun without ID at a gun show.

> One, the meaning of that phrase is much more ambiguous than the right to vote.

Please elaborate on this ambiguous standard. How "ambiguous" must a right be for it to be gated via ID and fees?

> Two, you can buy a gun without ID at a gun show.

A common misconception, please stop spreading misinformation.

> Generally, all firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a California licensed dealer under the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) process

> As part of the DROS process, the purchaser must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs

> elaborate on this ambiguous standard

It’s been debated at our highest court since the 1970s.

> common misconception, please stop spreading misinformation

It was true in August where my friend bought a gun with cash at a gun show! (It was in Wyoming.)

This story is about California. One would expect it's own laws to be internally consistent.

> story is about California. One would expect it's own laws to be internally consistent

Sacramento has made it clear it doesn’t believe in an individual right to arms. It’s internally consistent in the same way Wyoming’s (and most red states’) voter ID + free-for-all gun show rules are.

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is as unambiguous as "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Do you truly believe the individual right to bear arms was the law, or commonly acknowledged let alone accepted, before WWII?

You could buy bolt action, semi, and even fully automatic firearms, including belt fed machine guns, with no ID out of a catalog and have it delivered to your door before WW2. Acting like the individual right to bear arms didn't exist before Heller is akin to an 8 year old telling me 9/11 was a fictional event.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54213/54213-h/54213-h.htm

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediafiles/346339/838C8AF0-140E-4...

https://archive.org/details/catalogno12400sear/page/904/mode...

Cruikshank pretty much said it didn’t exist in 1876.

The Sears catalog did not seem to get the memo, and was not impeded in its distribution for missing it.

The mailing of firearms act in 1927 and the national firearms act of 1934 both changed how sears could sell through their catalog.

Your example is a good one because Thompson sub machine guns was a frequently cited impetus for the NFA.

How do these people register to vote, do you not need ID for that or should that be banned as well?

> How do these people register to vote, do you not need ID for that or should that be banned as well?

Please don’t spam the comments.

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