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I grew up in car-centric suburbia. I played outside everyday. Rode around on my bike with my friends. We'd play wall-ball, stick ball, street hockey. Hang out at the neighborhood pool. Make bike jumps out of stuff. Play in the park. The problem is not having the imagination to make something out of not much. And today suburbia has many more parks and resources. Eg. We never had a skatepark. We'd skate in parking lots or on shoddily homebuilt ramps. But now there are 3 in biking distance from me.


Right, stereotypical suburbia is actually pretty good for walking and biking around, hanging out at the park, etc.

What's not so good is "rural" suburbia, where every road is either a stroad or a country through-road with no shoulder and 35+ MPH traffic.

Equally bad is "urban-ish" suburbia where you have high density housing neighborhoods with few parks or other amenities, sliced up by stroads and through-roads.


  >> I grew up in car-centric suburbia. I [ed: did things in parks, streets that were safe to play in, places without risk of acquiring an arrest record].
> Right, stereotypical suburbia is actually pretty good for walking and biking around, hanging out at the park, etc...What's not so good is "rural" suburbia [ed: neighborhoods built in recent generations]

My generation had cool places to play. We had streets without heightened risk of dying. We had countless places to go without worrying about life-changing arrest records (when minor transgressions were handled and then fully forgotten).

My kids generation did not have those things.

In the face of this, modern adults seem divided into two camps:

1) Blaming kids for having their development world wiped out and

2) Taking away the few tools kids have - for coping with having their development world wiped out.


>> The problem is not having the imagination to make something out of not much.

I have over 20 years in scout and youth leadership, orgs full of of near-professionals at imagining stuff for kids.

We thought a lot about our own childhood development space - our daily hours of safe [from cars,karens,cops], adult-free time.

And we continually examined kids options for the same.

Skipping to the end: Modern kids' options are so limited it rounds down to nothing.


I saw your other message in this thread. Life changing arrests? Are we discussing the same topic? My previous statement stands. There are definitely more parks geared towards kids in suburbia today vs. 30-40 years ago.


> There are definitely more parks geared towards kids in suburbia today vs. 30-40 years ago.

And more houses built too far to be within casual walking distance from them.

There's also the thing where one reachable park is a poor replacement for the ~360° of direction I (all of us) could set out in, reaching hundreds of possible destinations. Most of that travel had low risk of adult interference. Most of those options were available to us kids, beginning at a young age.

All of that was unavailable to my kids and their generation.


> Life changing arrests?

Rentals and jobs require criminal background checks. Being denied work and a place to live is a fairly solid example of having your life changed.

This is a thing that is trivially understood and typically doesn't need pointing out.

It one of the stronger examples of how the world is ever changing in ways that make meaningful redemption more+more impossible.

The modern condition is that single transgressions are subject to ceaseless punishment thru sharply degraded lives.




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