Did you discover that from Google? Did you refuse to look at that link because it wasn't presented as a top 5 hit on Google? Are you not human?
My point is that information can be propagated outside of search engines very easily. Every link on Hacker News is presented to you outside of a search engine.
Optimize for humans. Tell humans that you made something. If Google doesn't want to service their users, that's not a problem you should work on fixing.
Are you seriously suggesting that manual word of mouth marketing over niche forums has the same reach as hitting the top 5 hits on Google through Search Engine Optimization?
Seriously, stop and re-read the above. You think the current incentives are natural and we must accept this?
No one is telling any individual company to do a specific thing in a vacuum. The suggestion is we re-shape the incentives we have created as an industry and society. It's about values, and we should bucket the discussion because the current batch of MBAs in charge at these companies, who will likely all be gone in 18 months no matter what, are focused on the immediate? Come on. That's not how anyone should determine what their values are.
There's no sign of that suggestion in this thread. The GP was talking about today, and has never mentioned huge sweeping policy changes from multiple governments around the world to make Google's business model obsolete.
No, they won't figure it out. That's why I'd leave. I believe quality is incompatible with the size of their "target audience". You cannot make everyone happy.
Ah yes, HN would be so much better if every company on Earth constantly posted links to their sites in comment threads.
Information can and does get propagated outside of search engines very easily. That’s the premise of huge industries like email marketing, social media, banner ads, and PR. Are these marketing channels universally beloved by humans? Not exactly.
I don't know why you think anyone suggested every company on Earth should post links to their sites in comment threads. I am not every company on Earth. I am me. My comment was meant to demonstrate me talking as me. Not as anyone else.
I think the disconnect here is that you are assuming everything should scale infinitely. Ie: if one company posts, every company should post. If one company sends out spam emails, every company should send out spam emails. If one company tries to make their website #1 on Google for a given search, every company should do the same.
My whole point about talking to your target audience was meant to directly contradict this. Your target audience can only be a finite set of people, because you can only talk to a finite set of people. Otherwise, you're just producing noise and hoping someone will listen to it.
The point of the joke is that what works for you, won’t work for companies. Different goals, different reactions.
The irony to this whole thread is that CNET is actually highly targeted about their audience development, which is how they decided which content to prune in the first place.
Citation needed. I can tell you about lots of companies that have existed for years. That I never found from Google.
> Different goals, different reactions.
I don't know what you mean by "reactions" here, but I don't think that their goals are good if they end up making what they produce worse in the eyes of their target audience in order to meet that goal.
> CNET is actually highly targeted about their audience development
Some people are saying their audience is tens of millions of people, and others are saying their audience is "highly targeted". Which is it? Those two are claims are extremely incompatible.
Coming in with a discussion about CNET and then talking about your own personal website seems... misguided?
I don't know if CNET is making the right call here. But I can at least understand the logic and thought process they went through, however misguided it appears.
Did you discover that from Google? Did you refuse to look at that link because it wasn't presented as a top 5 hit on Google? Are you not human?
My point is that information can be propagated outside of search engines very easily. Every link on Hacker News is presented to you outside of a search engine.
Optimize for humans. Tell humans that you made something. If Google doesn't want to service their users, that's not a problem you should work on fixing.