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No, I think you could tell quite well what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change.

Im sure there is a part of the population that is vested with the current system but that is generally a smaller part that is working in that system and which is somewhat propped up by manipulted rural masses who may also have had enough of this too.



> what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change

[removed: a reference to The Troubles] A minority of people can feel very, very strongly about something without the majority of people feeling that way.

> [the] part of the population [that supports the Iranian regime] is generally a smaller part

Happy to believe that, but where’s the data? That some people are clearly very angry at the monstrous and evil regime there doesn’t imply that it’s the majority or even close to.


The Troubles didn't start because of people pushing for a United Ireland. They started as a consequence of the violent crackdown against the civil rights movement. The IRA was a largely spent force up until then. It's very important to keep that in mind when saying anything about the Troubles.


That's an excellent point, and I was conflating the two while making an unrelated point. I've removed my original text, and simplified what I was trying to say. Thanks.


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> if you do someone like me might send men into your home to drag you out by the ponytail like it's Belfast in the 80s

That's definitely against the HN guidelines. Please don't post like that again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Here[1] is a poll from yesterday showing 50% would still like to stay in the UK vs. 27% wanting reunification, even with Brexit. It seems reasonable to assume they know what they want.

[1] https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/reunification-poll-14007...


Yes, historically 50% or above of people in NI have wanted to be part of the uk and considered themselves British (often to the point of marching around waving Union Jacks etc). Over time that number has gone down relative to people who consider themselves Irish but the numbers are still fairly equal.


>historically

But wasn’t that back when residents of Ireland and Northern Ireland and other areas were all EU residents, so a lot of these types of arguments were largely academic?

(Versus a post Brexit world where someone could be very suddenly trapped in interactions with a government they don’t consent to live under, but cannot as easily flee?)

Can you understand why cutting off someone’s escape, for lack of a better phrasing, could radicalize them?


Anyone born in Northern Ireland can claim both a British and Irish passport, and therefore, all people born in Northern Ireland can claim EU citizenship.

Separately, people with British passports can live and work in Ireland without a visa, and vice versa, because both are part of the CTA.


Aren't most of those people waving Union Jacks genetically/ethnically Anglo? As in they are descendants of people from England.


Some from an English background, some from a Scottish background. Parts of the north of Ireland were colonised by Britain in the early 1600s - have a look at the Wikipedia articles for ‘Plantation of Ulster’ and ‘Ulster Protestants’


Similarly to descendants of Russians in Donbass or Transnistria.

Or the elective majority in North America. Descendants of the people displaced and oppressed are still here, in radically reduced number.

The same story has played out all over the world, for tens of millennia. It is not less objectionable for that.




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