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> that is a very strange conclusion. there are way more factors than just the pain of childbirth. if that pain were really an issue, this should be a well known discussion point. since this is not commonly discussed, i very much doubt that it has any influence in the majority of women who decide not to have children.

Pain is the least problem of child birth. If you want to realize what childbirth can do to a womans body look up what a prolapsed uterus is. That women aren't having that discussion with you probably means that women just don't want to have children with you.

>what is the alternative to individual decisions? force women to have children?

If a society has conscription for men yes. Alternatively you can have both men and women reject the social contract and only use society as a way to make money before it collapses. We don't live in a fairy tale, we don't all get to ride off into the sunset.



there are all kinds of reasons why people don't want children. and these reasons are discussed in many places. pain of childbirth is not often a topic, which suggests that it is not a common reason, so it can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop


>pain of childbirth

Are you being purposefully obtuse? The pain of giving birth is the least damaging long term effect of getting pregnant.


sorry, i thought it would be clear what i meant:

pain of childbirth and any of the negative after effects are not often a topic, which suggests that they are not a common reason for not wanting children, and so that can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop




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