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They also use weird tricks like underpaying health staff (doctors and nurses make 40% of what they do in the US, look at NHS salary tables), relying on US defense subsidies, and taxing everyone making over 100k at insane rates.

We already have "socialized education" in public schools in most blue states if you make under 120k. The financial aid is generous enough that you aren't paying any tuition. The 70k sticker price is only paid by wealthy students, as a means of price discrimination.



>underpaying health staff

yes, things like surgeries or dental dont bankrupt you in Europe, and doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes.


> doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes

Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US, less than nurses in the US, and less than most blue collar trades in the US [1]. 91k GBP for the highest pay grade specialist doctor is just sad given how much training you need to become a specialist. That doctor could be making millions here in the US with their own practice.

GPs in the US (lowest paid specialty) get paid 2-3x what GPs get paid in the UK, according to the NHS payscales.

I think doctors working 80 hour residencies and grinding through med school deserve to get paid more, don't you think?

[1] https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-d...


Is grinding thru med school somewhat sacred? should they earn more than EEs? civil engineers? architects?

> making millions here in the US with their own practice

yes, fixing noses or fake tits

>Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US

like almost everyone else. Newsflash - US is really expensive.


> Is grinding thru med school somewhat sacred? should they earn more than EEs? civil engineers? architects?

Everyone you mentioned should (and does in the US) earn more than 90k GBP. Nurses in the US (at least in California where they make 50-60$/h) earn the same as top pay grade specialty doctors in the UK according to that NHS payscale.

> yes, fixing noses or fake tits

No, there are many specialties which don't involve plastic surgery but make millions. Cardiologist, dermatologist, dentist, etc. Or if you're a surgeon and work at a big hospital, you can also make 500k+. All of these involve mitigating pain and suffering and saving lives.

Sorry you think plastic surgery is the only way to earn a good living in medicine.

> like almost everyone else. Newsflash - US is really expensive.

Compared to what, London? Amsterdam? Paris? The US isn't more expensive than anywhere else, and for a doctor working in the suburbs, it's way cheaper than any major city in Europe. Don't forget, health insurance for white collar workers in the US is cheap compared to their salary, and taxes are lower. Energy costs as well. And a 401k is a lot cheaper than paying progressive social security taxes that redistribute earnings.

At least the US doctor can afford a house, whereas the UK one will never buy one within an hour's drive of London in their lifetime.


> doctors and nurses make 40% of what they do in the US

Oh, those US nurses living the high life.

> relying on US defense subsidies

It's more like "keeping the US defense industry afloat by buying expensive gadgets we don't need".


> Oh, those US nurses living the high life.

More like oh, those UK nurses in the poorhouse. They deserve to make what their US counterparts are making.

> It's more like "keeping the US defense industry afloat by buying expensive gadgets we don't need"

Yes, because that's what's defending Europe against Russian invasion, right? Expensive gadgets you don't need? Or is Germany's broken down, dysfunctional army [1] going to do that?

[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-biggest-enemy-thread...




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