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So totally not a climate skeptic, but part of the reason for this is because models are often wrong, and the more complex the system, the more likely it is to be off I think.

So to be fair to humans, skepticism is often rational, in the sense that science of complex systems can be off.

The part I have not totally understood is that there are good reasons to be more energy efficient and ecologically sensitive even in the absence of climate change per se.



I think the thousands of scientists who have been studying this phenomenon for the last 40 years have a much better picture than just about every skeptic that has muddied the waters with their hasty rhetoric.

If anything scientists have been abundantly cautious with their messaging. Many predictions made in early IPCCC reports were in many cases too lenient. Feedback systems, impacts, and rate of warming have been happening on track or faster than reported. I suspect many knew but they didn’t want to be labelled as alarmists.


> If anything scientists have been abundantly cautious with their messaging

And then new's outlets take that cautious wording and turn it into extremely alarming headlines. It's exhausting.


And yet the top of this thread begins with the claim that it's hard to alarm people (my words) appropriately enough to act. Ironic.


Assume the models are wrong: Why is that reason to believe that things will be better than the model predicts instead of worse?


Yes humans individually are absolutely horrible at long term thinking, it’s just part of our nature.

I wonder if we’re evolving to get better at that, if ever so slightly




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