> I think the general challenge of "how do we get a sustainable, supported, mature/polished open source ecosystem of software that we can use that works together" is kind something we don't really understand
I think one problem is people who tend to flock to niche languages like to write libraries so what happens is you get a random person on the internet who makes a library, then they eventually stop using it personally and the project dies because they were the sole maintainer championing the project. You have this happen in parallel and the next thing you know you have 3-4 libraries that are either missing big features, fall out of date, go into maintenance mode, etc.. I saw this a lot with Elixir's community libraries (Stripe, AWS SDK, pagination, etc.).
There is a chicken / egg aspect to it because I think the fix here is to eventually get popular enough where you have a large enough of a community around the language and ecosystem that the most popular projects for a specific feature get so popular that they can't die because too many people depend on it and then a bunch of folks start to contribute to it and the community informally blesses 1 solution as "the" solution. The chicken / egg problem here is that a lot of people want to use Stripe, not create a library to use Stripe, etc. so it never gets mass adopted.
I think the best way for this to happen is organically. Trying to create a committee with an org with specific contributors trying to invent solutions is going about it in the opposite way. The best libraries tend to be extracted out of real projects and grow to become popular because the person or people behind it have a skillset around not only creating high quality software but also a dedication to create great documentation, can handle support, have lots of tests and generally have created a maintainable code base that makes it easy for others to contribute.
> Ruby is no longer always considered popular enough to get an SDK from a vendor.
Do you have a bunch of examples here? I haven't come across that with the usual libs I use (Stripe, Braintree, PayPal, Sentry, Datadog, Mux, AWS, etc.).
I feel like seeing the ruby open-source-developing community shrink a bit, and formerly community-supported libraries starting to become more abandoned or have more trouble staying maintained, is giving me a different perspective on "if the language just gets popular enough this will take care of itself."
But also just seeing in general more people trying to make money with open source. I think the way open source "naturally" gets produced for free is not what it was 15+ years ago.
> Do you have a bunch of examples here
I don't recall any off the top of my head, because of course it's nothing I use, working in ruby. Most of the ones you mention have been around with ruby SDK's for over 10 years already, had them released when ruby was still at the top. And certainly an SDK is still more likely to be available in ruby than elixir or clojure. Let me see if I can find a few examples remembering the sorts of things I was seeing... OK some examples that don't have vendor-supplied ruby SDK but do for other languages:
In some cases there are third-party open source libraries available, often with limited coverage and/or kind of abandoned. Vimeo is the only one I really dug into, the third-party open source "sdks" did not seem to meet my needs or do much.
Ah, I'm surprised Slack doesn't support Ruby, but to be fair they are pretty tight on official support with only Python, Node and Java.
Fortunately there's https://github.com/slack-ruby/slack-ruby-client, but it's not official. Although it seems to be a good example of a community driven library coming together. I haven't used it personally (I never interfaced with Slack in a Ruby app) but at a glance it looks like it has really good docs, a decent amount of contributors, well maintained, etc.. If I were building some Rails app that used Slack I'd likely reach for this and not feel bad about it.
Kind of a bummer on the other 2 tho. Thankfully I wouldn't be building too many apps using those tools, but I get the point you're making. In the grand scheme of things I think this also shows how much more popular Python is than Ruby.
I'm actually surprised there's even a Java SDK for Slack -- their API is really straightforward to use via plain old HTTP (which is how we interact with it at work, from Clojure).
I think one problem is people who tend to flock to niche languages like to write libraries so what happens is you get a random person on the internet who makes a library, then they eventually stop using it personally and the project dies because they were the sole maintainer championing the project. You have this happen in parallel and the next thing you know you have 3-4 libraries that are either missing big features, fall out of date, go into maintenance mode, etc.. I saw this a lot with Elixir's community libraries (Stripe, AWS SDK, pagination, etc.).
There is a chicken / egg aspect to it because I think the fix here is to eventually get popular enough where you have a large enough of a community around the language and ecosystem that the most popular projects for a specific feature get so popular that they can't die because too many people depend on it and then a bunch of folks start to contribute to it and the community informally blesses 1 solution as "the" solution. The chicken / egg problem here is that a lot of people want to use Stripe, not create a library to use Stripe, etc. so it never gets mass adopted.
I think the best way for this to happen is organically. Trying to create a committee with an org with specific contributors trying to invent solutions is going about it in the opposite way. The best libraries tend to be extracted out of real projects and grow to become popular because the person or people behind it have a skillset around not only creating high quality software but also a dedication to create great documentation, can handle support, have lots of tests and generally have created a maintainable code base that makes it easy for others to contribute.
> Ruby is no longer always considered popular enough to get an SDK from a vendor.
Do you have a bunch of examples here? I haven't come across that with the usual libs I use (Stripe, Braintree, PayPal, Sentry, Datadog, Mux, AWS, etc.).