You apparently haven't had to run junkies out of fast food or pharmacy restrooms, as part of your minimum wage job duties before.
Go work a CVS in an urban environment and you'll have to deal with people nodding off with needles in their arms. These same people are highly likely to be thieves as well
Public restrooms have also historically been gay hookup spots, and spots for hookers too.
Bathrooms open to the public always attract garbage humans.
There will always be people without a place to live, and people with substance abuse disorders. We can both agree that they do exist, even if we are upset by that fact and wish it was not so.
So, what do you think a good plan would be? Turn them into soylent green? Tut tut at them when their suffering mildly inconveniences our day/their presence upsets us(the current situation)? Improve life for everyone by having good public toilets? Something else?
I support social services to help these people. Welfare, housing, medical care, the works. And I feel I'm far to the left of what almost any Democrat would ever propose to help those the worst off.
But i do think society should be designed to minimize where they can do drugs, and where delinquents have sex in public.
And I do not think those who own private property open to the public for commerce should be burdened with their sleep, sex and drug spots. Not their problem. It's not the problem of a small business owner that someone had trauma and then made some bad choices in life and need to mod off in their restroom or sleep in the doorway or their restaurant
> Bathrooms open to the public always attract garbage humans.
Only people who have hold minimum wage jobs in the service industry know this pain.
Everyone else keeps talking about treating people like humans never having seen the ugly side.
Like, for example, the side where you walk in on these fucks shooting up and then they threaten your life on the spot and leave a mess for you to clean.
Yeah, hard to have any compassion left when you've done that day in and day out while getting paid minimum wage and then going back to shit customers at the counter.
The easiest decision, is therefore, to close your bathrooms to everyone and discriminate equally. And maybe, only let the pregnant women and truckers use them.
I agree with you 100%. In places with private security such as restaurants, malls, and hotels there are relatively nice facilities and the people there are generally safe.
In "public" places where the only security force is the police such as side walks, that is where people defecate in the open and you are relatively unsafe from violence.
You’re absolutely right, no one is a garbage human. Some people, though, treat the people and the environment around them like garbage, and that’s really frustrating to deal with, whether it comes from an arrogant rich man or a homeless addict.
No, I'm sure it's disgusting. My point is there's a lot of daylight between "some people abuse public bathrooms" and "those people are garbage humans."
Yes, it is a fallacy, because in both cases it misrepresents the premise.
In the case of taxes, the actual premise is, "I think [set X/behavior Y/product Z] should be taxed", so generalizing it to "I think more taxes should be paid by somebody" misrepresents the premise.
In this case, the actual premise is, "I think this is something publicly-facing businesses should do", so generalizing it to "I think _every_entity_ should do this", again, misrepresents the premise.
As for the restroom access, and the inevitable consequences, is your issue with the provision of the service, or with being obliged to deal with the consequences for less than fair compensation?
I stated above I was for welfare and medical services
This doesn't mean every space open to the public - be it public property or private commerce open to the public, needs to burden themselves with solving the problems of homelessness and drug addiction
That's good, and a fair position, and I don't begrudge you for any of it.
What I replied to was the part where you then switched topics away from any of that, to an assertion that, for some unexplained reason, one of the posters here should invite strangers into their obviously-non-publicly-facing-home's bathroom. I just don't see the connection there.
The subject at hand was whether or not people, even ones who make messes, should have access to public bathrooms, not whether or not you should be expected to have someone over for dinner.
I mean, let's be honest, I'm relatively certain I wouldn't want you as a guest at my home either. I still think you should have access to places to take a dump when you need to.
The question isn't about " hav[ing] someone over for dinner"; but whether you let them use your bathroom.
Sounds like you have a different attitude wrt your own, private facilities compared to the public, common ones. Maybe the difference is you don't have to clean the public toilet?
Go work a CVS in an urban environment and you'll have to deal with people nodding off with needles in their arms. These same people are highly likely to be thieves as well
Public restrooms have also historically been gay hookup spots, and spots for hookers too.
Bathrooms open to the public always attract garbage humans.