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Personally I prefer the superdeterminism arguement: i.e. the state of every "future" entanglement was already set "before" the big bang. The anthropocentric corollary is that "free will" is an illusion.


The universe seems to have surely went to great lengths to trick its own atoms into believing they have free will. :)


I don't know what you mean. The number of atoms involved in the free will delusion is infintesimal compared to the number of atoms in the universe.

Number of atoms in 8 billion human brains:

about 10^35

number of atoms in the universe

about 10^82

according to search results.

Maybe there are no aliens but homo sapiens are just the first stage of the universe becoming self aware.


You shouldn't even bother responding to the person that's claiming to be a research scientist in his/her profile and while he/she wrote such garbage at an attempt to justify such nonsense. HN is overcroweded with people that are against the notion of free will being an illusion. Even dang has a bias. All comments like yours just get unfairly downvoted until they're not visible.


Yeah there is definite a SF hippie/beat woo vibe here at times. Maybe "consciousness" is fundamental and free will is real but so far we haven't see any evidence. I think superdeterminism is more parsiminous than multiple universes.


There are so many fun consequences of no free will,

For one, if we don’t have free will, no one could bother one way or the other whether they argue about it.

It would also just be a feature of the universe that clouds of atoms take one position or the other :)




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