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> Unfortunately police unions prevent that from being a viable option.

Exactly: this should really be in the realm of criminal prosecution, not civil suits, in which case the positives of qualified immunity could remain in place. But we have such a toxic, broken, in-group culture in our police force that we cannot rely on self-directed justice to happen. So I think we have no other option but to open the floodgates on civil suits.



Most other countries have a police-police, whose only job is to prosecute misbehaviours of the police.

Anyone can make a complaint to them, and they will investigate, and if they believe the law has been broken, can prosecute individuals (in a regular court) or fine police departments as they see fit.


In the US there are oversight departments/agencies and even the FBI that are responsible for legal enforcement above and beyond the general Police. However, they usually wind up in closer relationships professionally and rarely ever prosecute criminal actions of Police.

Both my parents were retired Police, and I know there's a lot of good people that work in those fields. I also know that not every community, situation or person is the same and there are a lot of people on power trips that even fellow cops don't always like. It's often hard to speak out from within a group.

Some of the more recent events are particularly grievous and should absolutely be prosecuted... There are many more incidents that should be as well. I tend to say it's rarely (though sometimes is) about race, it's usually a matter of blue vs everyone else.


Sounds great. In the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a group develop a shared identity with the regular police and become corrupt, but maybe it's worth a try.


The thing we already have is worth a try?

Every police department with more than a couple officers has an official structure for reporting abuse to leadership (either police leadership, or civilian leadership). State agencies and police forces absolutely have jurisdiction to investigate local departments, and the FBI and DOJ can investigate anyone they want.


By having a team of people whose only job is to investigate the police, they look bad if they don't uncover issues like this.

I suspect the mistake in the US is that all the people who could punish the police are 'too busy' with other things. Make a dedicated team who has nothing else to do, and suddenly they'll be snooping around like journalists looking for dirt so they can make a conviction and get a promotion.


Exactly this.

FBI doesn't want to investigate LAPD. They need LAPD, down the line, when there's some case for which they'll need cooperation.

What's needed is a Federal policing agency tasked with investigating and prosecuting police misconduct. That's the whole remit; police misconduct is their alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.


Can they not buy insurance for this?


That is exactly what will happen if QI goes away, and taxpayers will ultimately pay the premiums. Maybe that would be better, or maybe not. But in general, few policemen could withstand the risk of a single ruinous suit, and without insurance of some kind, would be forced to flee the occupation.


I'm fully okay with having officers flee the occupation if they've given themselves reasons to fear a legitimately ruinous suit.


The problem is that the legal system has a quite noticeable element of randomness to it. Despite what you may have read, justice is not always done. (source: have been on the receiving end of this)

As a practical matter, if there is possible liability, everyone will have to have liability insurance, just as in the medical professions, for example.


You realize that reason could totally be "He's a police officer in 90210 and rich people don't like being pulled over for speeding".


Pretty sure cases like that would get thrown out. And even if some didn't, I'll that tradeoff instead of the current status-quo.


As an American I'm fine funding justice (freedom isn't free, as they say) and as a liberal I'm double fine taxing the rich for it.


> I'm double fine taxing the rich for it

Is that how it usually ends up?


Nah it isn’t but, vote progressive if you think it should be.




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