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Imagine the same scenario, but now Team A and Team B are on opposite sides of the world, and Team A is an authoritarian regime that won't let anyone get near Forest A and won't let anyone talk about Forest A, and instead of a forest fire, the danger is microscopic, invisible to the naked eye and to satellites.

Would you still blame Team B for not knowing about the danger immediately?



I'm not blaming team B for not knowing about it immediately, I'm blaming them for their shrugging response even after it's terribly obvious what's happened.

And you seem to say Team B is still utterly blameless, it's all Team A's fault.


Let's drop the analogy and discuss reality.

What do you blame Trump for?

From what I've read, the US response was hindered mostly by a faulty reagent in the CDC's test kits, which led to an inability to test patients for the virus.[1] How is a faulty reagent Trump's fault?

And even with that hinderence, the course of the virus, the number of people hospitalized, and the government policies in the US seem to be proceeding in parallel with most other developed nations.

1: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-...


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> Angry Moustache Bolton

> one of the brainwashed

Talk like that isn't appropriate here.

As deng says, this is a place for curious, open-minded discussion, not partisan name calling.


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Well, you know my conclusions.

I'd disagree with your claim that you've responded (in my view your "Aaah you're attacking me" is just a deflection), but as I've written, I'm walking away. Enjoy that cognitive dissonance!


There's no cognitive dissonance. Just a lot of disappointment every time I read the facts behind the latest "scandal" and find that it's just anti-Trump spin.

Let's not bring that nonsense here. Let's discuss facts and evidence and make an effort to put partisanship aside.


Hah, how high and mighty. I try to discuss facts and evidence and you just deflect and consider it spin... Of course, you get to leave feeling like the person you're arguing is was just "spinning" stuff, and with your perceptions intact, because, hey "I can't be a chump, right, I'm too clever to be one!", right?


Japan confirmed it's first case January 15th.

what was Trump doing for the past two months?

would an extra month's notice have done anything? I get the sense Obama could have told him exactly when it would happen, and he'd have still done nothing until American deaths started ramping up




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