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There are many threats to democracy, but this is not one of them.

Audience numbers for local TV news (not to mention national TV news) is shrinking across the U.S. Younger people in particular will not sit down to watch a 30 minute talking-heads newscast stuffed to the gills with car, telecom, and insurance ads.

See: https://www.poynter.org/news/new-pew-study-says-local-tv-new...



Voting audience at the right margins across the right states might be just as important or more important than general audience numbers.

Young people famously just don't consistently get out to the polls in the way that much older people do. There might be a day when TV news just doesn't matter (it's certainly mattered little to me since sometime in the 90s), but it might take until the generation that grew up with the rise of the internet is approaching retirement.


Old people watch more local news and vote at higher rates than any other demographic group.


> Old people [...] vote at higher rates than any other demographic group.

Now that one is bound to change. Young people, both in the US and abroad, are discovering the powers of social media and organize to advance their causes. Trump with his backwards, racist and misogynistic rhetoric and his politics mostly serving the old, white, male population provides a perfect enemy figure to rally against.

Somewhere on Reddit I have read that from now until the elections this fall there will be 4 million young people turning old enough to vote (sounds about right, given ~4M births per year in the US). That's a massive block of voters and most of them will either vote Democrat or some of the fringe parties.


I'm with you on this, but don't count your chickens. Young people are historically crap at voting and there are also structural barriers placed in the way of their doing so in many places (eg not accepting college ID as a valid form of voter ID).


> and there are also structural barriers placed in the way of their doing so in many places

Thanks to the powers of social media, though, this won't be as much an issue as in previous elections - people can share workarounds and actually document stuff happening and spreading the word - worldwide, for free and not (easily) censorable.

The "old generation" simply has accepted being more or less denied their right to vote, the current young generation has the willpower and the resources to actually fight back... where the biggest and most effective resource is creating outrage on social media.


Yes, Iused to think that as well. Here's the downside: people talking about something doesn't translate into change i the short term. Electoral shenanigans? No doubt, but the odds of that leading to action before the polls close is small. I'm not saying this to be discouraging, just to point out the strategic issues.

Suppose I am a political bad actor and want o manipulate an election. I study precinct records (and have a small army of motivated assistants) and identify key places where a small change can make a big difference. Of course, my opponents have poll watchers out looking for such shenanigans, and I suspect they may try to disrupt my shenanigans by rallying people to protest them. So I just implement shenanigans at more locations than I need, and ideally im places that are easy for my opponents to get to but where I don't actually have any hope of affecting the outcome. With luck they'll declare victory on my false target while never noticing what's going on at my real one.

The basic weakness of swarm tactics is that whoever has the best information operation can easily divide and conquer over a short timeframe.

So yeah people are more motivated and more aware than in previous elections, which is definitely a good thing, but stay alive to the fact that a political opponent is equally capable of iteration and has motivated activists of their own.


It's pretty likely that most of them won't vote at all.

The ones that vote will probably tend to vote as you indicate.


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I'm confused, what's wrong with being anti-fascist? I'm definitely anti-fascist, aren't you?


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Please stop waging ideological battle on this site. It pulls us deeper into madness and the only way out is to resist such reflexive and unsubstantive posting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I imagine this is why you lost your flagging power, then. "You are obviously some sort of activist" is not a valid justification for removing someone from the discourse.


Not sure I ever had flagging power. I have never desired to flag anybody before now. If you want HN to degrade into rabid political name-calling, don't flag the people who do it. This person took the opportunity to level multiple refutable accusations at Trump, on a topic that had nothing to do with Trump. Would you rather I had engaged him at his level?


> This person took the opportunity to level multiple refutable accusations at Trump, on a topic that had nothing to do with Trump.

Of course this topic has to do something with Trump. In fact, Trump is at the core of it given the role of his administration in the upcoming merger of Sinclair to include even more local stations!

As for "multiple refutable accusations", I could provide you with many examples for each one, but that would be off topic indeed.


You and I would never agree on "racist policies". One mans border control is another mans racist, apparently.

I am curious about these "misogynistic policies" though. What policy is that, exactly? I suspect I'll be told about locker room talk he did in private, but maybe you have some actual misogynistic policies to share that his past history of hiring many women into executive positions belies.


> but maybe you have some actual misogynistic policies

I was talking about rhetoric (where "grab em by the p...y" is sufficient proof of DJT not respecting women, no matter if private or not - but if that is not sufficient, look at the countless allegations of rape or other sexual misconduct), but if you want policy examples, for example take a look at staff pictures. Most old white men. The only 3 women in his cabinet are Chao (Transportation), DeVos (Education) and Nielsen (DHS). Not exactly positions of power.


Yet the Pew data shows sharp drops in those demographics getting news from TV, too ... from 72%-64% in just one year for adults aged 50-64.


I think that state-sponsored propaganda is a threat to democracy, no matter how small the audience is. Just look at what's happening in countries like Turkey, where authoritarian figureheads weren't taken seriously because they were "fringe".




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