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NASA publications indicate a microwave absorption peak due to water vapor occurs at 22.234 GHz and peaks due to oxygen occur lear 60 GHz and 118 GHz (..). Below 10 GHz absorption caused by atmospheric gases is small.

The associated absorption graphs do indicate there is a small peak of 2 dB per kilometer around the 2.4 GHz band due to water. (I'd expect to have a larger drop through a wall.)

From: NASA Reference Publication 1108(02) 1987; "Propagation Effects on Satellite Systems at Frequencies Below 10 GHz; A Handbook for Satellite Systems Design; Second Edition" by Warren L Flock.



Hoff, which graph are you looking at? I'm looking at page 20 of chapter 3 (http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/Propagation/1108/1108Chapter3.p...) - it does show a small peak but it looks to me as if it's at ~22 GHz, not 2.4. Note that it lies between "10" and "10²" on the X-axis. Also the magnitude of even that peak is only 2 x 10 to the minus 1 - i.e. 0.2 dB per km, and the nearby freqs are really not much different. The graph on page 21 agrees.

This article: http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/microwave.html suggests that 2.4 GHz was chosen for microwave ovens as a NON-optimal absorption frequency, as this allows some of the energy to penetrate past the outermost layers of food!


I wonder what level of humidity that 2 dB per kilometer figure is for? Is that typical or worst case?

At 20 kilometers (about 12.4 miles), a distance this ISP is trying to serve some customers at, that 2 db becomes 40db. Overcoming an additional 40 db loss would require increasing the power by a factor of 10,000 times. They're using amplifiers and directional antennas but the fade margin is nowhere near 40 db. And they do have fading problems. Of course refraction/reflection from temperature/humidity inversion gradients and other propagation effects come into play too. It isn't just simple absorption.


Are we still talking about WiFi? The one with coverage limited in fractions of a kilometer? Achieving 20 km coverage radius (or even targeted coverage) sounds like a sisyphean task to me.


I dont know how they do it but the longest range wifi link is 382km[1]. And 10 km with good directional antennas is not that special, really.

[1] http://www.slideshare.net/1ereposition/long-distance-wifi-tr...


Wow, that's actually kind of exciting (and disturbing!), even though the link is unstable. Thanks for the info.




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