We know that the companies are big and possibly seen as monopolies, the question was still unanswered though.
Do you want your ISP tracking you and selling your private data? Do you think that is the place of an ISP?
If you do like your ISP tracking and selling your private data, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think there is no place for ISPs to be evading privacy and selling your data. It isn't about competition.
I expect tracking from free services I am not paying for that my data is the product. I expect tracking from companies that make their money from ad/marketing to do that.
I do not expect tracking and privacy invasions from my ISP, my front door to the internet.
My ISP is also not a small dog, it is a massive media company and a monopoly in addition to my provider. At least with Google/Facebook you can use DuckDuckGo/bing/etc or other social networks and block Google/Facebook if desired.
I can't route around my ISP, there is no local competition and what competition there is amounts to false competition. From the FCCs own data, most people only have 1 or maybe 2 real competitive ISPs in their area and virtually no competition at 100Mbps, zero options for gigabit [1].
I can easily walk around Google and Facebook and block them, my ISP is a big big mean dog because I am paying for my privacy invasion, services that run on the internet are corgis and they are free but fun to play so they attracted people's data by providing something people want. They do both lobby but that is primarily because ISPs and others do so heavily and you must compete at that level or lose.
> FCC report finds almost no broadband competition at 100Mbps speeds [1]
> Even at 25Mbps, 43 percent of the US had zero ISPs or just one. [1]
It's funny that you link Jon Brodkin, because I was going to point out all of what gave you this erroneous impression was from a select handful of media properties which have incredibly close ties with Google...
You ignored that Google and Facebook are also the front door to the Internet, and that you cannot evade their privacy violations by just "not using them". You've also continued to not address that Google is a much larger monopoly than any company you're upset about. Adding all of the ISPs together would not even approach the scale of threat provided by Google, in money or reach.
You've seemed to decide that violating your privacy and security is okay for some companies and not others without really a reasonable distinction how. Especially given that Google and Facebook are both media companies (and ISPs), and so are Comcast and Verizon.
- Do you want your ISP tracking you and selling your private data? Do you think that is the place of an ISP?
- Does it bother you you are PAYING your ISP and they are reselling your data as well?
- Do you trust Comcast and Verizon and like that you are paying them to sell your data when you just want to use them to get online and are ok with this?
It is funny you keep evading those important questions and flipping back to Facebook/Google. Just want to get you on record on the ISP question. I have already stated all are powerful and there is an expectation of tracking from advertising companies like Google/Facebook, that was not possible until the ISP privacy bill that removed privacy protections.
Also that data from broadband numbers is DIRECTLY from the FCC report the FCC created, it is just summarized on ars, does the FCC have a Google bias?[1].
The fact that you supposedly know the guys bias and associate it with Google is probably a hint of bias on your side. Maybe you just like ISPs selling your private data while paying for the service.
> You've seemed to decide that violating your privacy and security is okay for some companies and not others without really a reasonable distinction how.
I believe I explained this clearly multiple times. ISPs are literally the definitely of a 'gateway' or doorway to the internet. Facebook/Google are built on top of it and yes you can route around them or block them easily with host loopback or at firewall/routers etc, there are competitors to those apps, not so much with network gateways/ISPs [1]. Is the EFF also in Google's bias? [2]
You've seemed to decide that violating your privacy and security is okay for ISPs who previously were not able to but lobbied to have those privacy protections removed without answering whether you think that they should.
I don't believe any ISP should have access to your private data nor sell it, especially because you are paying for it. I say the same for Google Fiber and and Facebook ISP overseas if they have them. ISPs SHOULD NOT be accessing private data and selling it, they are the gateway to the internet and that is TOO MUCH POWER. If ISPs want advertising networks or tracking, build a search engine or a social network or like Comcast has in Hulu, or buy one. Only track on a destination site that I can CHOOSE NOT to use that doesn't double as my entry to the web, that has way more monopolistic tendencies in terms of control of your data.
But the ISP does not follow me from device to device, doesn't (for home providers, anyway) correlate me with location info, and generally knows far less about me.
I'd rather Comcast didn't touch my data, but no, in the end I would trust them with it far more than I would trust Google or Facebook.
Do you want your ISP tracking you and selling your private data? Do you think that is the place of an ISP?
If you do like your ISP tracking and selling your private data, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think there is no place for ISPs to be evading privacy and selling your data. It isn't about competition.
I expect tracking from free services I am not paying for that my data is the product. I expect tracking from companies that make their money from ad/marketing to do that.
I do not expect tracking and privacy invasions from my ISP, my front door to the internet.
My ISP is also not a small dog, it is a massive media company and a monopoly in addition to my provider. At least with Google/Facebook you can use DuckDuckGo/bing/etc or other social networks and block Google/Facebook if desired.
I can't route around my ISP, there is no local competition and what competition there is amounts to false competition. From the FCCs own data, most people only have 1 or maybe 2 real competitive ISPs in their area and virtually no competition at 100Mbps, zero options for gigabit [1].
I can easily walk around Google and Facebook and block them, my ISP is a big big mean dog because I am paying for my privacy invasion, services that run on the internet are corgis and they are free but fun to play so they attracted people's data by providing something people want. They do both lobby but that is primarily because ISPs and others do so heavily and you must compete at that level or lose.
> FCC report finds almost no broadband competition at 100Mbps speeds [1]
> Even at 25Mbps, 43 percent of the US had zero ISPs or just one. [1]
[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/02/fcc-r...