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Making a difference in the branch of government that is about destroying lives in other countries.


This is a flamewar comment that is bad for HN, that indeed set off a wretched flamewar like clockwork (bomb-timer clockwork). Threads like this are not welcome here, so please don't post such stuff again.

There's also a question of intellectual maturity. Consider that Noam Chomsky has spoken many times about good things that were done with DoD funding, as well as about how no one can rightly condemn others for not being in a pristine moral position because no such position exists (pointing to his own career at MIT as an example). If the deepest and most trenchant critic of American militarism understands this, I think internet commenters who fancy themselves critics of American militarism can be expected to understand it too, at least in this corner of the internet. If you want to condemn others or blare with ideological megaphones, please do so elsewhere.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11928952 and marked it off-topic.


To be a little more fair it's also about defense.


The US is surrounded by two friendly nations and two big fuckoff oceans.

I question the need for 'defense'.


Uhh, Pearl Harbor ?


A different era. Japan is not attacking the US ( or anyone else for that matter ).


9/11, Boston, Orlando, San Bernardino, nah we don't need defense, nobody can get to us.


If I have a magic rock that keeps tigers away, and then tigers arrive despite the rock, would you keep paying for the rock?


As terrible as each of those things were, his point largely stands. Most things labeled 'terrorism' are better handled by police/. Obviously the stupidly large mountain of money the US gov spends on 'defense' didn't save people from those. A country's defense budget is really for defending itself from invasion, and our risk of that is low. The last meaningful example anyone can give is pearl harbor - which was 80 years ago in a pre nuclear world.


He didn't say we didn't need police.


Oh yeah, spray the fire extinguisher at the top of the fire instead of the base, that'll surely put it out!


No, just stop "extinguishing" the fire by burning other peoples' houses down.

(It's as absurd as it sounds, and yet that's essentially the US strategy for defending from terrorist attacks)


Granted, this is basically how wildfires are extinguished, though more trees/brush than houses.


True, but the context was about household fires :).


To be completely literal-minded for a second, what you're describing is called a "firebreak" and is a standard part of the firefighting arsenal.


Yeah, I had a nice chuckle when he made that comment and didn't realize that is exactly how firefighters contain fires such as forest fires.


You can stretch any analogy past its breaking point. The discussion was about household fires.

Random applications of overwhelming force too have situations in which they're appropriate. Fighting terrorism is not one of them.


You forgot the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

I guess that's what a culture of militarization does to you: You start to confuse the police and the military.


So why do those things keep happening in the US and not in, say, Canada or Japan? Do they have scarier armies?


You don't need to spend more than most of the rest of the planet on the military to defend an area of land that's a tiny proportion of the world's surface. Are you sure you've been paying attention to US foreign policy over the last hundred years?




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