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Those are for video. AI Chat workflows use a fraction of the data.


That's silly on so many levels.

1. the latency is going to be insane.

2. AI video exists.

3. vLLMa exist and take video and images as input.

4. When a new model checkpoint needs to go up, are we supposed to wait months for it to transfer?

5. A one million token context window is ~4MB. That's a few milliseconds terrestrially. Assuming zero packet loss, that's many seconds

6. You're not using TCP for this because the round trip time is so high. So you can't cancel any jobs if a user disconnects.

7. How do you scale this? How many megabits has anyone actually ever successfully sent per second over the distances in question? We literally don't know how to get a data center worth of throughput to something not in our orbit, let alone more than double digit megabits per second.


Grok doesn’t have video as far as I know. I don’t think it’s so absurd. I don’t know how you scale this. But it seems pretty straightforward.


Is that also what gave you the cancer?


No. That’s from reading your comments.

Haha just kidding.


Indeed, obscene wealth is never funny


most people dont decide where they live. They also cant move. Good job instigating a class war


The difference between being taxpayer-financed and user-financed is that Ellison is on the hook for 10000x as much as granny instead of 20x. If it's a public good it should be paid by the public. A six-year-old keeping the light on at night should not incur a 120% surcharge for burying the transmission lines to a mansion in St. Helena.


This is ridiculous. What could you possibly mean? Everyone decides where they live. The cost of moving is not high, the ability to secure a job never easier.

This is a luxury belief and not borne out by any sort of reality. People have been deciding where they live for millennia and it’s never been easier than today.


Well, urban areas tend to be much more expensive to live in, especially in California. And most people don’t work in tech and enjoy relatively good job prospects.


I don't think those stats are true in California


All it takes is for the dot com of chatGPT to be blocked in my organization, and copilot has succeeded. Now we have a presentation from microsoft and half of their thinking problems didnt even work. Of course, i have used copilot chat extensively, and since the rollout of deep thinking, it has provided many benefits. Writing and editing workflows in excel or officesript, for instance. Custom JSON formatting in sharepoint. It has even made a regression model in an excel workbook. Takes knowledge to edit it, but it does get me there.


That answer is incorrect. Common law can only be created by courts.


Moot pedantry. Nobody said this creates state level common law, in the US or elsewhere.

Just that this forum uses a common law styled system - and even added "think of X as..." making clear this refer to this analogy, not to official state law.



Uh huh. And, as tptacek said, dang and tomhow are the courts here. So what they have consistently ruled is the common law here.


What were they using for scheduling? Microsoft Outlook has a Tasks or Planner, or perhaps they were using Shifts in Teams. All of these are mini apps that are not useful and serve no benefit. If they just meant a calendar, I would assume that the new thing has a calendar. But I would agree that every company should provide some sort of scheduling tool


What if you have an excel workbook that relies on a bunch of custom formulas. I would be upset if this happened in my workplace. Datasets have been far easier to handle with lambda, vstack, byrow, and the rest. I would not like this move and would have to remain a holdout. That would also frustrate me because of the division.


Are we gonna accept being forever locked in to Microsoft because of custom Excel workbook formulas? Forever paying Microsoft a license fee, because we don't want to covert said formulas or invest in open source software to make it reach parity with Excel.


The problem with this is that the decisionmakers fucked up 10-20 years ago, and now when those decisions are being righted, some poor public servant is paying the price.


And 10-20 years ago it would have also been a public servant paying the price. You are just salty it's now you. At least be happy your work is impacted for a noble cause.


I am salty, but not because I'm impacted by this. :)

The reason I'm salty is that most linux desktop envs are unusable in their own right. I very much feel the pain of being forced to use some centrally-dictated craptastic linux GUI. I've been on Linux for 2+ decades and I hate nearly all the desktop envs. I totally feel for those blokes whose Windows UI is now being ripped from their hands. Where they'll land doesn't only suck for them (having a Windows background), it might very well suck for anyone, even those with a long Linux background.


In many organizations, that license costs less than converting all the Excel workbooks - a process that disrupts work, as only the Excel spreadsheet's creator and user can reliably spec and test the new spreadsheet. And they need to convert with accuracy - worse than crashes is undetected bad output.

Being stuck in legacy systems sucks, and technical people like to deny the reality of it - but it's a business reality.


I must agree, unfortunately, and do so due to a reason that's way more mundane than "custom formulas": UI.

Language, form, muscle memory (call it what you will) is difficult to separate from thinking and working. I'm very picky when it comes to desktop UI: I use Linux exclusively, and I can't tolerate most Linux distros' default desktop environments. Someone who's been productive for a decade or more with Windows applications -- well, to the extent we're willing to ascribe "UI stability" to those applications' own updates -- will probably hate Linux with a passion.

I don't think such a transition can be made seamless. They should have thought about becoming Microsoft's hostage two decades ago (I guess).


Unfortunately, we have to be willing to make compromises and even learn a new thing or two if we want to survive and protect our sovereignty. And it really is a matter of national survival - Microsoft has made it clear that they are fully controlled by the whims of whoever is in charge of the US government on any given day and will comply with the orders that come down to them. So yes some people will have to re-learn how to use a spreadsheet program, but it's a transition that's worth making.


This is equally an issue migrating from Windows 10 to Windows 11, or desktop Word to Office 365 Word, or in fact basically any major software update.

Yes, there is a cost to changing software. But it’s not unique to an Open Source migration.


In that case, keep your MS license where there is a migration problem, simple as that. There is no need for the entire gov sector to pay so you and your team can use custom formulas.


Will you get upset if Microsoft will charge 500000000 USD (because more copilot value added every month) per year? That is way more upsetting imho. And if all fails there is still some SAP solution to everything in life :P


This one gets me now than most of the rest... The increase in licensing for copilot features a lot of orgs would prefer to disable is distasteful to say the least.


Formulas exist in other software too. LibreOffice has better compatibility with older Excel files than MS Excel itself.

When you migrate anyway you could choose that to use a proper database and SQL if that makes sense instead.


You are cleary biased. A complex chatgpt 5 thinking runs at 40 Wh per prompt. This is more in line with the estimated load that ai needs to scale. These thinling models wpuld be faster but use similar amount of energy. Humans doing that thinking use far fewer jpiles than gpt 5 thinking. Its not even close.


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