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Immigrant isn't a race.

Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. The accusation of blatant racism, come from police chiefs, from judges, as well as everybody experiencing the mass deportation. And the accusation of racism isn't that immigrants are a race, but the exact racial discrimination in who gets kidnapped and disappeared by masked men that are indistinguishable from criminals.

>Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race.

Care to share your stats?

This sounds like more of "I don't like this president, therefore what he's doing is wrong"


I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn't ask for. So why we exhibit such extreme bias in which evidence is admissable?

So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.

Admit what? Trump is open about the racial nature of deportations, and witnesses say the same.

If you want to bring stats into it, the baseline is to try to disprove what everyone already knows.

Assuming something is false just because it makes Trump look bad, in your eyes, is a very biased take on the world. Just listen to his own words, he's not ashamed of the racial nature of the deportations, it doesn't "make him look bad" because its a feature not a bug.



Being anti-crime doesn't mean lacking compassion. Crimes have victims, and reducing crime results in fewer of them. Poor people don't want to be victims any more than rich people do.

Building the panopticon does not reduce crime.

For an American startup/technology forum, this place is remarkably anti-America, anti-capitalism, anti-AI, anti-crypto.


Gee, wonder what caused that change over the last decade. Really can't think of a reason.

And just in case you truly believe it's something like "Russian bots" - and I hope you don't - you need to check out the change in the bigger public's opinion on big tech companies, and why it has changed. It's far from just HN.


I would say quite the opposite. Have you considered the position of the general population in your assessment?


I don’t think many educated and working class people are pro- those things at this time


There’s a massive difference between being patriotic and being pro-Meta or pro-Google. And given recent bribes from tech leaders to Trump, I’d argue being anti-BigTech is actually patriotic.


If one country has labor protection and pollution regulations, and another country has near-slave labor and dumps chemicals into rivers, would you consider the former inferior? Unable to compete?


It’s fairly funny to a european that it isn’t immediately clear which half of the comparison is intended to apply to the US, and which half is supposed to apply to China.


If you think that labor in the USA and China are treated similarly, you really need to pull your head out of the sand.


It's funny as an American that Europeans are either this ignorant or think this kind of comment is clever.


Most consumers don't care about the conditions under which a product is made. Whining about labor practices is just an excuse for making an inferior product.


Pollution regulations?


This is not accurate. The details were kept secret during negotiation which consisted of 2 Democrats (1 "Independent" who caucused D) and 1 Republican. When the text of the bill was released, it was widely disparaged by Republicans.

>Several Senate Republicans Issue Blunt Dismissal Of Bipartisan Border Security Bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944

It never had a chance of passing. It wasn't some amazing bill that everyone loved until Trump told them not to. That is a fantasy that fits the narrative.


My point was pushing back on the false choice offered by the parent comment that we have open borders or the current maximalist deportation policy.

Talking about that bill specifically though, what were the issues with it (not rhetorical)? It had the support of the Border Patrol Union and Chamber of Commerce. Yes, many Republicans opposed it when released, but that opposition came after Trump publicly told them to oppose it. Here’s a timeline:

Late January 2024: Trump publicly opposed the border deal before it was even finalized, with McConnell acknowledging in a private meeting that Trump’s opposition put Republicans in a serious bind. [1]

Early February 2024: Trump declared on social media that “only a fool, or a Radical Left Democrat, would vote for this horrendous Border Bill” [2] and pressured Republicans to kill the bill, saying they needed a “Strong, Powerful, and essentially ‘PERFECT’ Border” and were “better off not making a Deal.” [3]

February 5, 2024: Bill text released

February 6-7, 2024: Within 48 hours of the bill’s release, Senate Republicans declared it dead, with McConnell saying the speaker made clear it would not become law. [4] Only four Republicans voted for it in the procedural vote, and even McConnell voted against it. [5] McConnell’s own admission: McConnell later explicitly stated that “our nominee for president didn’t seem to want us to do anything at all” regarding the border. [6]

The bill wasn’t perfect and had legitimate critics, but calling it a “fantasy narrative” ignores that it died specifically because of political pressure, not substance. House Speaker Mike Johnson declared it “dead on arrival” before the text was even finalized.

My point stands. If this bill was inadequate, where’s the Republican alternative? What’s their legislative proposal to fix the broken immigration system? Blocking bills is easy. Show what they’re actually proposing to solve the problem.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-t...

[2] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4451977-mcconnell-dealt-...

[3] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-immigration-deal-republi...

[4] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans...

[5] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-b...

[6] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/white-house-mitch...


Republicans did not support that bill. A single Republican Senator negotiated it in secret. You guys mischaracterize this bill as some amazing thing that everyone was excited to pass until Trump told them not to. That isn't reality.

You can hear it from the horse's mouth here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf4EzoWR944


Federal law also restricts illegal aliens from entering the US without authorization.


They're also not eligible to be living in the US, yet here we are.


And yet we do nothing to punish the actual criminals, the employees who knowingly higher then abuse them. Why don't we deport Trump, Trump tower wouldn't even be around without polish workers who were here illegally


The key issue wilfully ignored by the mob.


Illegal aliens are shown to commit more crimes than citizens when time is given to determine immigration status. [1]

> Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest. In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned. Given sufficient time for data collection, it appears that illegal immigrants have above average conviction rates for homicide and sexual assault, while they have lower rates for robbery and drugs.

There is also the question of how many illegal aliens actually exist in the US, which severely complicates calculation of rates for their population.

Your pdf is a repost of the exact study (Light) cited here as being flawed.

[1] https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal...


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