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Foxconn employs about 1.2 million workers in China. In Shenzhen and Chengdu, a combined Foxconn workforce of 500,000 provides labour for Apple Inc. Daily wage is ~$5 per employee. [https://www.facing-finance.org/en/database/cases/working-con...]

Napkin math if you were to move 500k workers to the US and paid them $100 a day instead of $5 a day it would cost you $17B a year.

Would be interesting to see how labor per unit is trending to determine if manufacturing is actually getting more automated and at what rate.


The main thing those numbers are telling you is that Foxconn is really big.

I think your link is also relying on data which is several years old, this is more recent and listing average hourly wages of $3.60 in China:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/chinese-wages-rise-made-in-c...

But that's still less than a third of $100/day.

The real question is whether the required number of employees is off too, which if the numbers are from years ago and the theory that automation is increasing is true then it would be, and then as you say, how that plays out in terms of labor per unit.


In what world do you pay a skilled American $12.50/hr? And that is before considering benefits.


You’re absolutely right, I was being unrealistically conservative. In reality that many workers would almost certainly unionize and average labor costs could easily be $250-$300 a day or more.


Aren’t the tweets ingested by Dataminr public? I agree this would be problematic if they were using private data, but using data available to anyone on the platform feels like fair game.


If the supreme court can learn new tricks, I'm confident HN can finally learn the difference between a police officer on his beat and a fully-automated data firehose mined in realtime or other perversions of technology. Witness United States v. Jones, the opinion delivered by Scalia:

The Government contends that the Harlan standard shows that no search occurred here, since Jones had no “reasonable expectation of privacy” in the area of the Jeep accessed by Government agents (its underbody) and in the locations of the Jeep on the public roads, which were visible to all. But we need not address the Government’s contentions, because Jones’s Fourth Amendment rights do not rise or fall with the Katz formulation. At bottom, we must “assur[e] preservation of that degree of privacy against government that existed when the Fourth Amendment was adopted.”


Viewing a public tweet is not trespassing - its the point of the entire platform. US vs Jones determined that installing a tracker on a private vehicle is trespassing.

As a tax payer, I would prefer my tax dollars are used as efficiently as possible - so if the alternative is to hire human police officers to manually search twitter and create reports then I would oppose that in favor of automated technology. I don't think the technology is the debate here, it simply enables us as humans to be more efficient. The decision to surveil is the debate here, and I can see it both ways. Do I think the police should be aware of a large gathering (regardless of purpose) in their cities? Yes, I think that's prudent for a variety of public safety reasons. Do I want this done in a way that does not interfere with protests or have a chilling effect? Yes, absolutely.


This is an ever present issue as technology advances and what was not possible to efficiently or effectively do before is now possible through these new techniques. And it is not limited to government and law enforcement either, the worst transgressions are from the private sector and political campaigns.

As a society we are only starting to become aware of the implications. "Fair game" is the biggest misnomer - it is anything but.


Speed of any car currently travelling on US public roads is public information, it is publicly observable, people have no expectation of privacy on this. Now imagine some technology made it possible to observe and mine this data en masse, and to issue speeding tickets all at once based on it, as often as speeding occurs. This would be so massively disruptive that the speed limits and/or the law itself would have to change to make things work back again.

This is not to have a blanket claim that law enforcement should always have less data. The point is that innovation in law enforcement tech has to be balanced with accountability, experience and changes in the actual law. Especially in a climate in which rightful use of authority is in question, the last thing we would want is to empower further asymmetry.


We don't even need to change the law. An even simpler fix is to simply veto the idiot who thought it was a good idea to mass issue those tickets without leniency. Personally I think this human factor already exists in our government. Police can give warnings even when they have you dead to rights. And they are subject to pressure both to write more tickets or to write fewer, depending on the climate.

However I'd say changing the law is the best option of them all. Restricting surveillance protects people out in suburbia from cops who are almost never there anyway, while poor schmucks downtown have to deal with the "broken window policies" getting tickets for a lot of nonsense.


You might want to look into “automated speed enforcement.” AFAICT, it’s primarily used in construction or school zones right now.


I think the US system is best served by Americans being very pessimistic of law enforcement getting anywhere near politics.

Many of the ugliest chapters in our history involve failing to uphold this standard.


> ...very pessimistic of law enforcement getting anywhere near politics.

> Many of the ugliest chapters in our history involve failing to uphold this standard.

I don’t have data to back this up, but I certainly would not be shocked to read a study which showed that police, rather than enforcing laws universally, are far more likely to be using their discretion attempting to steer society by selectively punishing segments of people who they view as “unamerican.” Whether it’s done to juggalo types from “the wrong side of the tracks”; strange religions; different races; or like in the past, pot smokers, guys with long hair, or punks with colors in their hair. etc... etc... etc...

I don’t know how we fix this problem, but I suspect the tendency to view “others” as problematic and applying pressure to other groups in a misguided attempt to steer them into compliance is part of the problem.


Doesn’t bode well for their path to profitability.


It’s not odd if you think that interest rates will go down in the future. If you believe that then you should buy longer term bonds to lock in the higher rate now.


Not to mention they subsidize the winners they pick with billions of dollars of government money.


I don't understand giving a keynote like this and then not launching the product for months. Apple figured it out long ago - way more power in "it's available now" than the alternative of forcing customers to wait an indefinite amount of time.


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