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I don't have anything to add to many of the comments already posted but I'm reminded of Cyanide and Happiness very poignantly making a similar point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAKQ7ouQqgA.


I think a more fundamental problem here is that self-driving cars are as much an infrastructure problem as they are a technological one.

As an analogy, consider hybrid vs electric vehicles. In places like North America with large, open spaces, electric vehicles really only serve a specific type of urban driver. The culture, infrastructure and geography dictate 600km distances which really aren't practical at the moment with current battery tech. Whereas hybrid vehicles can (or could) quite easily reach that range with options to recharge once you get to your destination or have a longer stopover and still use existing infrastructure. The focus on purely electric is a lost opportunity for anyone who needs power or long distance.

Similarly, cars could be designed to be self-driving in the easy cases; highways, certain urban thoroughfares, particular times of day and the like where existing vehicle and pedestrian flow patterns eliminate the edge cases. coordinating systems along the aforementioned types of roads could be installed as was done for cellular service and GPS and other protocols could be developed to ensure safety and reliability as well as fallback in case of emergencies.

Instead, we've decided on all-or-nothing bets which don't move things forward--or at all--and my worry now is that we'll lose an opportunity to pick the low-hanging fruit and solve the harder problems incrementally over time.


But chasing the higher hanging fruits might allow for breakthroughs that you would not see if you only went for the low hanging fruits.

The range anxiety is less and less problematic with EV. The Tesla Roadster 2 already is said to have a range of more than 1.000 km. Add current research in the fields of solid state batteries and super capacitators and you have the possibility to reach those numbers even with less expensive versions of EV. German automakers already calculate that by 2026 electric engines will be cheaper and more capable than their ICE counterpart.

If you go for that easy middle ground like hybrid cars that you suggest, you limit yourself to the local maximum of that solution. Hybrid cars have the same maintenance cost as non hybrid cars and additionally the complexity of balancing both engines. The only saving in maintenance cost is by going full electric. In the same way you might only achieve certain breakthroughs by actually going for full autonomy even if it wont work perfectly for the next decades for all edge cases.


Bloomberg believes Teslas numbers are a little optimistic and claim it's not possible with "current" battery technology: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tesla-s-newest-promises-break-th...

It doesn't mean Tesla won't do it. But it will be a big deal if they do.


The choice is about releasing version 1.0 vs constantly adding features that are better suited for versions 2, 3, 4+. What can be done now, at reasonable cost and technology level? My position is that we could have a system right now that would alleviate traffic congestion and offer greater safety. Advancement on the harder problems comes with real-world experience in the field.

The doing is the learning.


Agreed. We can more easily follow the autopilot patterns of commercial flights such that cars can activate autopilot once they have officially entered freeways, and disengages again after exiting.

Doing so can also help spur further investment into the Interstate system, which as an immigrant was one of the best inventions that America had made in creating a higher quality of life than other countries.

Hybrid drivetrains (tiny engines with forced induction and electric motors as a blueprint) plus driver assistance tech is a much brighter near future than trying to wrangle busy city streets and electric charging.


Could you do it without all or nothing? Mixing self-driving cars with humans means the intelligence has to understand irrational behaviour and has to respond appropriately (speed up rather than slow down, ignore the potential threat, account for traffic behind you), which is sometimes counter-intuitive. And it comes in many ways.

Will a self-driving car know that you don’t pump the brakes when sliding on snow? What about hydroplaning?

If that didn’t exist we wouldn’t have car fatalities or accidents.


I don't think any of those examples are edge cases. The first set are normal traffic conditions that in the context of self-driving cars are easy to solve, especially in narrowed conditions such as on a highway. Moreover, mid-range cars already have collision warning and automatic braking systems. As to your example of traction issues, pretty much every modern car that I'm aware of has had computer assisted traction control systems for a while now.

The edge cases that are difficult essentially boil down to entity recognition; unexpected and moving obstacles, road sign changes, traffic light outages or alternate signal pathways and the like. Some of those definitely would require government level coordination which is about a lot more than technology.


Well done!

Plain and easy to understand interface and excellent use of colour and space. Two suggestions:

1. While I doubt it'll be used very much, consider adding calories for completeness if nothing else:

  1000 kcal -> joules
or

  1000 Cal -> joules
You might also throw in cal for just for fun[1]!

2. Change Variables to Constants. I think this is more in keeping with standard jargon.

[1]: cal is based on the gram while Cal or kcal is based on the kilogram.


Thank you for the feedback!

1. Yes, I'll definitely add calories, good suggestion.

2. Yes, that's probably a good idea. I should distinguish constants and (user-defined) variables.


calories are supported now.


Even if true, why do you assume it was the US? There are many actors with the willingness, capability and motivation.


I don't assume the US (merely using it as an example when we question the possibility of conspiracy theories being true).

Arafat could have been killed by other (more radical) Muslims, by the Israelis, by any number of people (though the method suggests a government was probably involved). Milosevic was likely killed by some western government, based on circumstance (being in custody at the Hague), and the fact that he revealed that people were trying to kill him before it happened...


the fact that he revealed that people were trying to kill him

He claimed people were trying to kill him. Revealed implies that this claim has been proven as fact, which it certainly has not.

Suppose I claim that people are trying to kill me. Have I revealed a truth, or is it possible that I'm making things up?


<ignore reason=probably not true>There aren't many with the capability.</ignore> Polonium has no stable isotopes and is naturally so rare that the nuclear industry synthesises it from bisimuth using neutron beams in specialist nuclear reactors. <ignore reason=probably not true>Also, apart from triggers for nukes and poisoning dissidents, it has very few uses.</ignore>


But consumer anti-static brushes (http://www.amazon.com/Static-Master-Brush-1-Inch/dp/B0000AE6...), industrial anti-static coatings, industrial coating thickness measurement, and oil well inspection are a few of its uses.


I didn't realise it was used so widely. I just read this about the brushes - http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/538049/polon...


I don't understand who/what your markup is meant for? Are you claiming that things you're writing are probably not true and should be ignored? Then why are you writing them? This seems a little too clever.


I put the markup in after it was pointed out I was probably talking bollocks there. I didn't want to delete the wrong info as that would make the comment after make no sense, so I did that instead.


Interesting.

As far as I can tell though, it doesn't seem to account for humidity, pollution or wind patterns. The former is especially important for hot climates (or times of the year) since when it comes to comfort, hot dry >> hot humid.


Yeah it doesn't account for a lot of stuff. I'm in a Mediterranean climate here and it's suggesting a lot of places that are very far from that. If it's supposed to be used for plant growing related purposes it's not going to be very useful.


The suggestions themselves are decent but I have a hard time taking UI recommendations from someone who insists on using low contrast text: http://www.linowski.ca/. I can barely read his copy. Why and how anyone thinks that usability isn't made worse by using medium grey on white or light grey backgrounds is baffling to me.

It's been a while but the next time I hire a design firm, my first test will be to see if they use low contrast text.

EDIT: I just found this http://contrastrebellion.com/.


Whoohoo! I can finally dump Apple Maps in my iCrap folder.


That's true, but you only have to do it once.


Small bug: If you click and hold and then drag outside the borders of the button, the button stays in its ':active' state until you click somewhere (anywhere) else.


This is expected behavior. Browsers follow the link on mouse up event, if you try to drag it away then mouse up happens outside of the button area and link won't be followed. Button remains active as last clicked element, this behavior is also consistent with operating systems.


Not really. While I agree that the link should not be followed, the button should still return to its normal pre-mouse-down, pre-hover state. Only the focus should remain with the button.


Whoo-hoo! Time for the Perl port.


Good luck with that wish.


I would have to lookup the serious academic paper that says peel is technically unparsable in the same ways as PL/1. I think to date there have been two aborted perk on java efforts

Not sure if perl6 has the same properties mind.


I think perl6 is meant to have mutiple implementations.


I wish I had checked that over I just saw that my phone mangled perl twice


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