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Cool down friend.

There will always be great people building alternatives.


We need a trustworthy Web browser. There isn't one. And such a massive complexity moat has been created with de facto standards, and also made a moving target, that some nice programmer's temporary hobby project isn't a viable solution.


Yes, better to avoid annual subscriptions.


Curious if AI models have already ingested this data.

Or this is just to avoid them scraping and being up to date.

Then only AWS AI can be monetized to help with their super complex platform.

What a genius idea !

- make platform super complex -> write disastrous documentation -> put it behind paywall

They don’t care if their customers keep getting hacked due to this complexity and unclear documentation.


Betting on Microsoft messing up on UX side, as always.


Using cursor and it’s been great !

Founders care about development experience a lot and it shows.

Yet to try others, but already satisfied so not required.


Seeing the discussions, I would point out that a startup needs stability in leadership to grow that fast.

Look at Google, Meta, etc.

They were super stable in leadership when they took off.

Can’t say the same for OpenAI.

Also, being an AI researcher, them converting to profit org after accepting donations in name of humanity and non-profit is honestly shameful and will not attract most talented researchers.

Similar to what happened to Microsoft once they got labelled as “evil”.


So not refuting any of Matt’s points !

WPEngine literally exists on Matt’s product but they are neither ready to contribute dev hours or money (which can be used for development) to platform.

I don’t think this makes WPEngine looks good.

That’s what Matt said.

Now they are trying to legally block him for perfectly genuine points.

Would have been great if they clarified any of those points.

Matt’s points still hold true.


Did you read the PDF? WP Engine answers this - quote below. They employed (or used to employ) WordPress core contributors and have spent lots of money in the community. It's not 'Matt's Product' but an open source code base supported by a large community.

=== Quote ===

Contrary to Mr. Mullenweg’s statements that WP Engine does not contribute to his narrow and self-serving definition of the WordPress community, WP Engine has been deeply dedicated to advancing the use and adoption of WordPress through innovation, investment, and active community involvement. WP Engine has contributed tens of millions of dollars in ongoing support for the broader community through events, sponsorships, and the development of educational resources, including sponsorship of WordCamps worldwide and producing DE{CODE}; educating and empowering the WordPress community through content like the WordPress Roundup and the Building WordPress series; hosting, funding and actively maintaining multiple Open Source projects (e.g., ACF, WPGraphQL, faust.js) within the ecosystem used by millions of websites around the world; and producing informative webinars, podcasts, and tutorials. Even considering Mr. Mullenweg’s incorrect statement that contribution is only based on hours worked and contributors to Five for the Future, Mr. Mullenweg falsely stated that WP Engine is failing on this metric. In reality, WP Engine is ranked 30 out of 189 in hours contributed and 16 out of 189 in contributors, significantly outpacing multiple other contributors relative to our revenue.

=== End Quote ===

Blackmail is not okay - even if what he argues is true. He could have just done his presentation as he wanted and, as long as his claims are actually true, he wouldn't have had any trouble. Instead he tried to Blackmail a company into giving his FOR PROFIT COMPANY money. This wasn't about supporting WordPress, this was about rent seeking for his own organization.


But why specifically them? Pantheon and Acquia offer basically the same service as WPEngine, but they weren't singled out like that. This whole thing makes it seem like Matt had some personal vendetta against WPEngine (or did the other two already get blackmailed earlier and caved?).

Is Automattic hurting for money? If they're making half a billion developing and selling WordPress, why do they care what some other host does, even if they don't contribute as many hours upstream...? They're still part of that long tail of the WordPress ecosystem and helps grows users and devs.

It's so weird watching this all unfold. In 2024 I definitely didn't expect to be bringing out the popcorn for WordPress drama, of all things.


WP Engine is hosting WordPress.org software, which isn't owned by Matt. His product is WordPress.com, which is deliberately designed to blur this distinction and confuse users so he can wield this as an advantage against his competitors. Apparently this isn't enough and he's resorting to shitposting now.


Absolutely true ! Re-imagined AI first products will kill AI patched up legacy products.

Always.


I think this is sometimes true, and certainly after a ton of failure first.


How did they fail to test such a critical bug then ?

Clearly shows lack of testing.

If intially good, probably culture & products have rotten.

Not fit to be in security domain, if like this.


I think this is more of a failure on the software development side than the domain specific functionality side.


Hubris. Clearly they have no form of internal testing for updates because this should have been caught immediately.


Listening from asmartbear is always inspiring !


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