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Boban Marjanovic posts on HN? Would never have guessed.

Great reference. It's a shame most people seeing this comment won't get it.

Externalities.

He's replying to a post that says it's "new, unexpected, and incredible" and he specifically only addresses whether it's incredible. I think, especially in the spirit of "assume the strongest interpretation", you can probably assume that an artist is well aware of the value of novelty and is quite specifically not disputing it.

Using "civilian" to mean "a civilian who's not a cop" was already bad enough, but using it to differentiate private cars from trucks and buses? Public transport is practically the quintessential example of civilian infrastructure, you're really going too far now.

“Your transfer has expired, civilian, you’ll have to pay another fare!”

Said the bus driver in the mirrored shades.


My apologies, you are right. I maybe should have used the term NPC? Or non-controllable vehicles.

Yeah, it does. Congratulations, you figured out why the future is going to be fucking awful.


"What if you can't tell the difference?" Yeah, what if it becomes impossible to spot who's a lazy faker who outsourced their thinking? Doesn't that sound great?!


When you buy, or pirate, a book, you didn't enter into a business relationship with the author specifically forbidding you from using the text to train models. When you get tokens from one of these providers, you sort of did.

I think it's a pretty weak distinction and by separating the concerns, having a company that collects a corpus and then "illegally" sells it for training, you can pretty much exactly reproduce the acquire-books-and-train-on-them scenario, but in the simplest case, the EULA does actually make it slightly different.

Like, if a publisher pays an author to write a book, with the contract specifically saying they're not allowed to train on that text, and then they train on it anyway, that's clearly worse than someone just buying a book and training on it, right?


> When you buy, or pirate, a book, you didn't enter into a business relationship with the author specifically forbidding you from using the text to train models.

Nice phrasing, using "pirate".

Violating the TOS of an LLM is the equivalent of pirating a book.


Contracts can't exclude things that weren't invented when the contracts were written.

Ultimately it's up to legislation to formalize rules, ideally based on principles of fairness. Is it fair in non-legalistic sense for all old books to be trainable-on, but not LLM outputs?


It isn't a restatement of the article, it's a criticism of the behaviour of the article's author.


And the person you're replying to is someone who thinks "The case where Canada must be annexed is if Greenland somehow remains part of Denmark"! The veneer of civility on this site lets some really incredible people slip under the radar.


Flour as you know it is not quite the same thing as meal milled at the time when the words were being invented. Wheatmeal is still a thing, look up images of it and the resemblance to oatmeal should be a lot more apparent!


I would class porridge oats as what might be called 'rolled oats' if you were buying animal feed. They are not ground, but crushed under a rolling stone. I guess they have different terms for different markets. Never seen rolled wheat, but I have seen rolled barley and oats.. they looks like porridge oats. Or is it an Atlantic divide, but with the US foodie term crossing back in the food market


Originally, "meal" was the generic word for milled grains.

Already the Mycenaean Greeks, 3500 years ago, used a cognate word with the same meaning: "meleuro-".

"Flour", which comes from "flower", originally meant the finest grade of meal, which was considered the best.

Nowadays the usage of these words is not always consistent with their original meanings.


The conservative subreddit isn't fake as such, it's just incredibly tightly curated and so not in any way representative. Number of deleted comments is a better barometer than tone of remaining comments, if still not a great one, because you're simply not going to see any significant number straying too far from the party line.


I mean, there's plenty of disagreement to the point many call anyone who dissents "fellow conservative", which has become kind of a joke. The official line is they remove any non-conservative posts, which doesn't seem relevant when assessing to what extent conservative posters support what is going in with ICE currently.


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