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I like that analogy. It reminds me of "Pointing to the moon and looking at my finger"


That would be possible if LLMs can come up with entirely new words and languages, which I doubt.


> That's not a long-term option if you want to make something mainstream.

Groups in messaging apps rarely contain more than 100 users. So invite codes can work well for messaging apps.


Humans already subjugate other humans and animals to so much pain and suffering, why would they care about AI?

I don't think pain can be felt without the ability to have emotions, and no emotions are possible without personality (that "I" feeling), until AIs can feel real emotions and have a personality than they won't ever be able feel pain.


Would be great if EFF also sets up a phone verification hub.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45989890


Why are we giving up. Shouldn't we stand up against Oppressive governments and Corporations.


That's the point I implied! We absolutely should, and must. But the only viable way to do so seems to be by following Ghandi's principles of personal non-violent sabotage against the oppressor, which requires unity and cooperation between people, and that, alas, is very questionable these days. Half of us won't even admit they're oppressed! When a single shoemaker makes two left shoes instead of a normal pair the opressor orders, he's out to look for a new job. When every shoemaker out there makes only left shoes, the oppressor has to go f2k himself and learn some craft or manners.

Old ways that seemed to be working, like democratic elections? I don't think so. Not anymore.


I don't think one thing will solve it, but everyone who knows better can contribute in their own. For example by teaching people about privacy, encryption and free software. Writing books, doing podcasts aimed at the general public to promote privacy tech. Talking to your local government and municipalities, become the local expert and proposing policies.


> Shouldn't we stand up against Oppressive governments and Corporations.

How? Governments have the monopoly on violence through their control of the police and military, and corporations bribe the governments in power to do their bidding and also control the media apparatus via which the voting population makes their democratic decisions, so you get this corrupt symbiotic relationship between the first and second estate (the government and wealthy elite private sector) to keep the third estate (common population) oppressed.

So how do you actually coordinate hundreds of millions of people towards a single goal to "fight" against and apparatus of oppression with an order of magnitude more kinetic strike, intelligence gathering and propaganda capabilities than the common folk?

People keep fantasizing about the French revolution and guillotines, but King Louis XVI didn't have Air Force One, doomsday bunkers in New Zeeland, AC-130s, Predator, Reaper and Anduril drones to protect him. The force disparity between the ruling elite and peasantry is now like that meme of hydrogen bomb versus coughing baby.


Canada does not restrict or ban encryption: https://www.gp-digital.org/world-map-of-encryption/


The RFC addresses security, but does not mention anything about privacy. I think the scheme ultimately boils down to trusting the server/instance.

It would be great if users don't have to share the actual number with the server, a hash or something like that but that would make it impossible to verify the number and verification is required to prevent spoofing.

Another way maybe is to have a trusted 3rd party (something like EFF, LetsEncrypt) that can be used by users to validate their numbers and applications can get the hashes from there.


phone numbers aren’t unique enough for hashes, a lookup table would not be that much effort


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