That's pretty harsh. I bet you Huxley's original notes for Doors Of Perception were probably jumbled too. But both DoP and Mark's notes allude to the same thing: without a valve on our consciousness, we'd just sit around all day and be blown away by the creases in our jeans.
Seconded, thanks for sharing Mark. A number of friends have gone through life altering trips such as you describe, there appear to be positive things that can be gleaned from psychedelics about oneself.
That said I had one friend who didn't come back and ended up in an institution for a period of months. He had a number of underlying issues that the drug brought to the fore. It was a horrible experience for all involved.
Would you elaborate on this? Did he come out of it twelve months in? it's rare to find negative commentary on psilocybin on the internet. Only a couple warnings in the thread now.
He took some at a party I was at and freaked out. I nursed him for a few hours, he babbled the same phrase over and over until his housemates came and picked him up. I've been told since that he had freaked out before and had been fine once he came down so they treated this incident the same. Took him home and sat with him till he calmed down and put him to bed.
The next morning he was still acting strangely, not making sense etc. They kept an eye on him that day figuring he was just tired and worn out. But the next day he was worse so they got him into a psych hospital after some difficulty (he wouldn't go at first). He was put on anti-psychotics and stayed there for a couple of months.
He was released back into his parent's care, he is from the UK and this happened in Australia. So he went back to the UK and reportedly has found god and is doing fine. (apart from the religion thing ;)
It's alright to disagree strongly with someone else but mutual respect is one of the attributes that keeps HN an open and interesting discussion forum.
It's interesting to me that you believe you can achieve the same kind of inner thoughts from reading books. There are many people here that have come out from trips feeling more enlightened than when they entered them. Remember also that you are in the comments for an article about a study in which it is said to increase openness. You're telling people that it won't enlighten? Do you disagree with the results of the study?
The belief you're holding is too strong since you've not been able to demonstrate any evidence for it.
Lol, I don't think it's enlightenment, but I experienced the feeling without drugs first. In the Buddhist tradition, it's known as kensho or satori (technically different, but similar enough for our purposes.) In either case, it's definitely worthwhile and can't be learned from a book.
I have no issue with whatever it is you posited after your masturbatory experience. It's just that I don't find your epiphany particularly deep, nor do I see how LSD was even necessary for you to arrive at your destination of nowhere.
You know what actually makes a difference in life? Acquire knowledge, apply that knowledge, make connections and use all of that to HELP other people and change the world. Tripping on shrooms by yourself or with your fellow dunderheads does nothing for anyone, yourself included. Stop pretending it does.
You sound like exactly the kind of close-minded person who would benefit from a hallucinogenic trip.
The reality is, you have no idea what a trip is like. You're building an image of what it might be like based on your own actual experiences, and it seems pretty lame, but that image is just that: an image; a picture; not the real thing.
And, much like life cannot be experienced just by looking at pictures, drugs cannot be experienced just by reading trip reports.
If you can figure out ways to try crack, heroin and motor oil safely, with no harmful physical side-effects and no risk of addiction, then why not? What's wrong with trying them? Do you have an ideological opposition to new experiences?
The problem with crack, heroin and motor oil is that two of them are relatively likely to get you addicted and then damage your body as you abuse them, and one is likely to kill you outright if consumed.
Psylocibin and LSD, on the other hand, are basically harmless (at a reasonable dose) from a physical standpoint, and non-addictive. So what's your rationale for not trying them?
You might argue you won't try them because most people won't try them - well, that may be a point, but a lot of people have tried hallucinogenics, especially in the 60s, and the vast (99.99+%) majority had a good time, is perfectly fine and was happy about the experience. So social proof isn't your reasoning for not trying them.
Which leaves the law. Perhaps you won't try them because they're illegal. Fine. Would you not try tomatoes if they were illegal? If you would try tomatoes even though they might be illegal, then what's the big deal about hallucinogenics?
Someone like you almost always pops up in every internet discussion on hallucinogenic drugs - they're always pretty universally dismissed as what you would call, 'wrong', by everybody who actually knows what they are talking about.
Well, sexuality isn't the worst analogy one could make with drug use. Like sexual experience, psychedelic experience can be life alteringly profound and positive but is almost universally unprofound and vulgar when put into words. I enjoyed the parent's story both for it's entertainment and because I related to his experience.
I'm an avid reader, but experiences of these natures absolutely cannot be replicated with a book. I've never seen someone walk differently after reading a book the way someone walks different the day they've slept with a new lover. Likewise, it's impossible for prose to attempt to do what drugs and sexuality do - subtly suspend many of our basic assumptions simultaneously and thereby direct our attention to many fundamental blindspots in our thinking and experience.
Be careful - thinking that only well articulated sentences are the only valid form of intellectual stimulation is something of a logical fallacy common among brainy people.
> You know what actually makes a difference in life?
Taking action makes a difference in life. People don't take action just for its own sake. They have motivations. Where do this motivations come from? Ultimately the mind. The mind can be influenced by books and general knowledge, as well as experiences. Do you contest that if one did the same thing twice (once on drugs, the other not) that those experiences would different? Who's to say that the experience on the drugs can't be the one that inspires someone to do something with their life (or in this case, to alter their way of viewing the world)? You? What authority do you have in such a field? What are you credentials to make such proclamations?
You could claim the same about getting high off of glue since that affects the mind too. Seriously, what every day experience /doesn't/ affect your mind?
My point stands on its own. Taking action makes a difference, dropping acid does nothing for anyone. End.
So your argument is that (1) since every drug/substance/experience affects your mind everything is the same, (2) consuming something does not create so therefore has no utility to anybody: the only utility is 'taking action'.
These points do not stand on their own.
Everything might affect your mind but that doesn't mean that every experience is the same.
Consuming something may not make a difference to other people's lives, but it might give direct utility to yourself (for example eating food, drinking water, reading a book, watching a film.) This article was about an increase in openness. If you become more open as a result of doing something then indirectly your future actions might hold more utility to the people that you affect.
> Taking action makes a difference, dropping acid does
> nothing for anyone. End.
Converted to:
> Taking action makes a difference, <blank> does
> nothing for anyone. End.
You could insert anything into this sentence. Heck, I could insert "reading a book" into that sentence because "reading a book" is not "taking action," yet reading a book was one of your examples of a 'good' thing to do earlier in this thread.
You're ignoring the possibility that something that 'does nothing for anyone' can directly influence someone to take actions which do something for someone. E.g. if someone drops acid/watches a documentary/reads a book and it directly inspires them to open a soup kitchen for the homeless, how does that fit into your world view? Are the two things completely separate and without causation? Or is it only the influences related to drugs which hold this place in your mind (i.e. can never have a good outcome, so therefore if there is a good outcome it can't be because of the drugs)?
So everything's on the level, I should probably mention that I've downvoted just about everything you've said in this thread except this post, which strikes my curiosity.
Would you consider meditation equally as pointless as dropping acid? How about worshiping a God, or Gods? Sitting alone in a park? Writing a journal? Looking through a yearbook or perhaps a photo album? Are these things all pointless in your mind as well?
Taking actions to alter one's self can easily improve the ability to take actions that affect others. A simple example: lifting weights so you can be a more effective fire fighter. There are many others, including the ingestion of chemicals to alter mind state. Oh, I don't know: like drinking that cup of coffee in the morning, the one that gets you through your emails and keeps you from being a grumpy asshole all day?
Posting to a forum with your self-righteous, unapproachable attitude is the DEFINITION of masturbatory. You clearly cannot politely engage others on this topic, so why bother commenting here to simply tell the druggies how you feel about their petty dalliances? To make yourself feel better?
edt....I respect your opinion, but I would respect it even more if you had experienced even once what people are discussing here. From the way you write, I know you haven't.
If you have been through it, it's up to you to judge whether it is good or bad, for overall society, or even at the individual level. But as it is, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
We have a word in our vocabulary: transcendental
Some people would say we don't really need that word. No one that has taken a psychedelic experience would ever say that. It is truly out of this world. It is up to you to determine if it is beneficial for yourself.
Assuming you don't think it's beneficial for yourself, I'd like to hear your thoughts on why you think others should be denied this experience, if they harm no others. (assuming you are in favor of prohibition)
Nowhere did I say I support the war on drugs, prohibition, or any such rubbish. You are free to engage in whatever stupid activity you so choose. Just don't try to claim it was some kind of fulfilling accomplishment, when it was merely shallow recreation.
Why would you feel it's so important to belittle someone else's experience as "merely shallow recreation" when they obviously feel it meant more than that?
You know what actually makes a difference in life? Acquire knowledge, apply that knowledge, make connections and use all of that to HELP other people and change the world.
But you know what makes a difference to the experience of bring alive? Changing the way you interpret experiences.
(you're very negative for someone who claims Helping people is the only thing which makes a difference).
And since when are people only allowed deep epiphanies, but not shallow ones, even assuming you can judge that from outside?
if you are correct that my use of mushrooms has not and will not do anything for anyone, why are you telling me this?
if anyone reads what you have written and benefits from your insight, then you must have been wrong - because you wouldn't have written what you did if i hadn't posted this document detailing my experience with mushrooms.
You're missing the point here. The author was typing from a world where only a few have been, where things melt into the floor, music turns into objects, objects turns into people, and your mind is on a huge emotional rollercoaster. Imagine being fired, then getting a date, then you remember your sister died (many years ago), then you realize you are awesome, then you feel AWFUL because you said something you shouldn't have at that party two months ago, then you realize everything is actually one whirling organism of energy and you can never die, then you hear loud noises and think it's the cops and get scared. All of this in a very very short span of time.
You start sketching or typing and you realize you can see blood flowing through your hands, and then you realize you're actually an animal for whom it's hard to form coherent thoughts because everything is just so wobbly and undefined. Then you become amazed at how human language is actually a form of learned "symbols->sounds" synesthesia. And writing is "sound->visuals" synesthesia.
People have pissed their pants from fear on psychedelics, the fact that the author of the document was able to jot down his experience is a remarkable addition to the knowledge of humans.
For what it's worth, most of the programming in the ML class when I took it last year was MATLAB based - since it mostly involved lots of linear algebra, and using MATLAB meant you got matrix operations for free. AI class, on the other hand, involved coding an increasingly more intelligent Pacman agent in Python as we learned new approaches to optimizing reward.
Having said that, taking ML definitely made my theory stronger - but this was mostly due to the amount of proofs in the class, and not so much the programming :)
http://www.ai-class.com/overview says: "Programming is not required, however we believe it will be very helpful for some of the homework assignments. You may write code in any language you would like to (we recommend Python if you are new to programming) and your code will not be graded. For example, a question might ask for 6 answers to the same problem but with varied inputs or parameters. You are welcome to work each one out by hand, however writing a program might be both faster and give you a better understanding of how the algorithm works."
So there will be at least some programming, they got me confused - how is it possible to teach AI without programming? :) But we'll see.
The idea is that they won't set problems where the answer to be supplied is a program, but they will set problems which would be tedious or impractical to answer without writing code to help you arrive at the answer.
That's partly why I bought it. My university didn't have a statistics department, so I never had the chance to take a statistics course that was worthwhile.
Statistics and linear algebra really should be required by all CS programs. It's funny that at many schools those courses are not, yet Calculus is. First, Calculus should have been handled in HS. Second, I've never had a use for Calculus professionally or for anything I've worked on in my free time.
Calculus is a major prerequisite for both a reasonably serious statistics course, and for a reasonably serious AI/ML course. Furthermore, at least for ML it is multi-variable calculus based on linear algebra, I doubt you could learn this in high school at the level needed.
I've read O'Reilly's Collective Intelligence. It's a great introductory survey, but it was very light on theory.
I also own Collective Intelligence in Action. It had more explanation of theory than O'Reilly's offering, but most of the chapters devolved into how to use Java data mining framework X.
Sorry! It's really not meant to be a trick. The book is under a CC license. I provide the PDF version at Green Tea Press, the LaTeX source for anyone who wants to make a modified version, and a not very good HTML version (some of the math is broken). O'Reilly provides the printed and Kindle versions.
Right now all versions have the same content, but I will continue to revise, so you can think of the version on Green Tea Press as the draft of the second edition.
I know it can be confusing, but I hope the benefits of the free license make up for it.
Green Tea Press are good guys, I would never feel sorry for paying them; they have done far more for humanity than my $30 ever will: http://greenteapress.com/
I'm a little confused about the various editions. Just a few weeks ago I bought the "Think Stats" ebook published by O'Reilly (same author). Is it all the same content?
The article is not "gobbledygook". A well known limitation of NodeJS is its lack of support for parallelism. You have to try to take advantage of parallelism of the OS itself by pre-forking the Node server.
NodeJS is great for applications with a lot of clients, but not for CPU intensive apps. That's why I predict similar technologies built on Erlang, Scala, and Go will have more longevity than NodeJS.
That works really well for handling requests for HTML pages, because they tend to render independently of one other. However, you run into trouble when you to make "Nodes" communicate, and the comment that the article is addressing specifically mentions interprocess communication.
Clearly it's not that easy unless you plan for it from the beginning. One benefit of Erlang is that you have to structure you code like a distributed application. You can mess that up, but it's harder.
I used the word "gobbledygook" because the article is poorly written, not because I think he's wrong to criticize Node. Reread the paragraph on Node and tell me it doesn't meet the Wikipedia definition: "text containing jargon or especially convoluted English that results in it being excessively hard to understand."
Since the early days of node there has been a proposal to dispatch tasks via the WebWorker API, with a callback - as is currently done for calls to OS subsystems. Sounds like that would be a great way of dispatching CPU intensive tasks without breaking the semantics of Node. What happened to this?
commit 9d7895c567e8f38abfff35da1b6d6d6a0a06f9aa
Author: Ryan <ry@tinyclouds.org>
Date: Mon Feb 16 01:02:00 2009 +0100
add dependencies
How old is Erlang? 25 years or so?
> What happened to this?
There's been some preliminary stuff on giving spawned node processes a more slick API, with the intent of then being able to optimize them in some way.
Whether or not it'll end up at the WebWorker API is yet to be seen, but that'd certainly fit with node's "don't reinvent BOM conventions where they fit" pattern.
if (items.length == 1) {
return items;
}
var middle = Math.floor(items.length / 2),
left = items.slice(0, middle),
right = items.slice(middle);
return merge(mergeSort(left), mergeSort(right));
}
You don't need to run merge on the left and right partitions every call. You only need to do that if the left partition's last element is greater than the right partition's first element. Otherwise, you can just append the right partition to the left, since they are already in sorted order.
Why does that make the algorithm incorrect? At most your method might be faster, although I doubt it because the probability that the left's last is greater than the right's first is small and gets exponentially smaller as the length of the sequences you're merging increases.
It /might/ be faster? What? Do you fully understand the invariant of the algorithm? The left should always be less than the right partition. There's no need to re-merge them each call. As it is, you are always comparing all elements in the left and right partitions with the merge when you don't have to!
Nope. What I said is still true. Here is my code in Java:
public List<Integer> mergeSort(List<Integer> list) {
// Base case
// If list has one (or less) element, return list as is
int size = list.size();
if (size <= 1) {
return list;
}
// Partition list in half
int m = size / 2;
List<Integer> left = new ArrayList<Integer>();
List<Integer> right = new ArrayList<Integer>();
for (int i = 0; i < m; i++) {
left.add(list.get(i));
}
for (int i = m; i < size; i++) {
right.add(list.get(i));
}
// Recursively merge sort each partition
left = mergeSort(left);
right = mergeSort(right);
// If the last element of the left partition is greater than the first element of the right partition
// The left and right partitions need to be rearranged
if (left.get(left.size() - 1) > right.get(0)) {
return merge(left, right);
// Otherwise left and right partitions are in the correct order
} else {
left.addAll(right);
return left;
}
}
protected List<Integer> merge(List<Integer> left, List<Integer> right) {
List<Integer> result = new ArrayList<Integer>();
// While both containers are non-empty
// Move lesser elements to the front of the result, and remove them from their containers
while (!left.isEmpty() && !right.isEmpty()) {
if (left.get(0) < right.get(0)) {
result.add(left.remove(0));
} else {
result.add(right.remove(0));
}
}
// The container that still has elements contains elements greater than those in the other container
// It is assumed that the elements in the container are also already sorted
// So the non-empty container's elements should be appended to the end of the list
if (!left.isEmpty()) {
result.addAll(left);
} else {
result.addAll(right);
}
return result;
}
That's what I'm saying. It's a minor optimization of the mergesort algorithm, and it's not the usual way that mergesort is presented. And I'm skeptical that it's really an optimization. Have you benchmarked it?
This condition is going to be true most of the time:
left.get(left.size() - 1) > right.get(0)
As the lists get longer (where this optimization could pay off), the condition is more and more likely to be true.
For the case of nearly sorted lists, it could be an important optimization. But to say that the original mergesort is incorrect is not true.