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It also prevents a meritocracy. Surely that’s not the driving force for these companies to dismiss unions, but it’d be a reason for me. I’m not promoting idiots just because they’ve been idiots here a long time.


There's a lot I disagree with here:

1. Non-union shops aren't meritocracies. The most "meritous" employees are also the kinds of employees that will work for table scraps and the "privilege" of doing what they do. Those folk make up the lower half of any org's tree. That's just good economics, try to argue otherwise to your shareholders and you'll get laughed out pretty quickly.

It's the folk whose main motivation is their paycheck and/or the power trip they get from pushing around folk who make up the upper half. There are just far too many obstacles and disinsentives to climb that ladder barring those motivations.

2. Everyone wants a meritocracy until they get one. Meritocracies make for terrible work environments for 90% of people in the org. It becomes a tyranny of those willing to perform metrics-hacking or win the "sleeping-at-work" olympics.

I'm not saying unions don't have their problems, but the idea that they are bad because they eliminate some intrinsically good meritocray that inevitably forms in their absence is among the worst arguments you can make imho.


The idea that unions stand in the way of meritocracy is absurd. And of course we are ignoring that there is no objectively correct definition of what is meritable in a corporate context. Many many companies have died after doing very well to optimize their particular brand of merit.

Unions don't have to give special benefits based on tenure either. The industries where that is a a feature of unions happen to be places where it makes sense, i.e. without significant benefits for tenure nobody would ever work for somebody like UPS in the first place because you would be destroying your body for no long term payoff and not making any more money in the short term vs. easier positions that are just as easy to get. A company like UPS, if it were to crack down on unions in an attempt to enforce a "meritocracy", would very quickly cease to exist.

In the context of software development, a union would probably be much more recognizable if branded as a kind of professional association. We all know the kinds of security concerns and awful code that get pushed out because of a poor definition of "merit" on the part of companies. Unions are primarily a way for people that are most able to determine what is meritorious to actually have some influence on the definition of merit in their organization.


It is so tragic that in US unions get accused to prevent meritocracy.

In Europe we do just fine with them.


How would it prevent meritrocacy? Does being a union member automatically grant people promotions in function of time at company?

Surely that's not a law of physics, you can have unions without automatic promotions, which I agree are not good, usually.


"Meritocracy" is like "utopia": something to strive for, but in reality a myth.


The taxing authority is asking you to fill it out because they don’t know what deductions you will take. That’s why you do it.


But you can imagine the governments case is extra extra buttoned up considering the accused.


I agree but I do want the guilty to pay. But yeah, I’m ready to move on from the political climate.


Big business will not be stopped by a wall.


TikTok is one vehicle for influence - and there are hundreds.

Millions use TikTok. To them, you’re not removing their “adversary”, you’re removing their fun.

From the outside, this looks like the United States is controlling the media - something it’s already accused of by 1/2 of Americans.

This action will reiterate that for some and make it true for more.


New accounts on issues like this always make me wary of the 50cent party (kind of a case-in-point example of the kind of nation state influence operations and risk). [0]

It shouldn’t have gotten to this level, but it’s where we are. Users will move to reels or something else that takes its place without the national security risk.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party


yeah i found it noteworthy that your comment had mostly green user replies. thanks for sharing this, i didn't know about the 50 cent party.


I don’t even know what “reels” is. TikTok clone?

And, yeah, I can see the apprehension regarding the new account.


It's it's the meta/instagram tiktok clone.


It's a clone, but you can't directly compare one social network to another like that. There are differences in the culture and community that won't necessarily survive being transplanted.


I don’t claim there is nothing lost, only that the cost is worth it on net.

An even simpler threshold is that banning it is a reasonable position to hold given the issue even if you may disagree.


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